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Ha! I am glad it is not only me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd punt £9.25 on that Mintern certificate and and the marriage to James Carpenter. Just make sure you only name her ....as we don't know which White is right (ha!!)

Jude

Stephen Munder is a Widower in 1911.....

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Arnewood Towers Sway Hampshire, Hordle, Hampshire, England

Samuel Munden Head Married Male 42 1869 Pealey Jobbing Gardener
Fanny Munden Wife Married Female 40 1871 Appleshaw -
George Munden Son - Male 2 1909 Bristol -
Stephen Munden Father Widower Male 73 1838 Beaulieu Cowman On Farm


Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
MUNDEN Stephen W 73 Lymington 2b 871


There are no deaths registered for a Mary Ann Munden between 1901---1911

Jude....My head hurts with George White let alone Charles!

:-D

Edit: Mind you, I think it's a bit of coincidence that an Alice Mintern is with Mary Ann and the White children in the workhouse.

Alice age 2 in 1861........age 22 in 1881

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Mintern Alice Georgina Lymington 2b 468

Seen it Prickles...

It looks good...and that Mintern marriage 1859 looks to be the one......

But did you notice the two men are Whites?????

So if you do decide to order it ...just go for Mintern....

Have you looked in censuses for Charles White?

Jude :-)

No worries Jan.

I am wondering if Alice Mintern on the 1871 census (Age 5) is the same Alice Geo White on the 1861 census (Age 2) and her age is incorrect.


Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Mintern Alice Georgina Lymington 2b 468

She was born before George and Mary's marriage in 1859

(Alice Munden born 1858 in the 1881 census)

PricklyHolly sorry missed your post above

I did post that 1871 census earlier. :-)

I have PM'd you Jude.

Looks good Jan, there's a Mary Ann too!

Jude

1871 Other children with White surname with her as inmates Elizabeth age 13 and Anne age 9. Not sure these are right birth years when I looked at birth index

?? 1871
First name(s) Agnes
Last name White
Relationship
Inmate
Gender Female
Age 7
Birth year 1864
Birth county as transcribed HAMPSHIRE
Birth place England
Street New Lane Lymington Union Workhouse
Parish Lymington
City Lymington
County Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Lymington
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1173
Folio 38
Page 5

Have pm'd the photos though the trees do not have any substantiation of parentage. The death index though suggest a Stephen White as father.

Jude

It was my idea that this is the parents of Agnes Mary White.........


Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
Mintern Mary Ann Lymington 2b 681
White George Lymington 2b 681

Mary Ann White in the 1861 England Census
Name:Mary Ann White
Age:24
Estimated Birth Year:1837
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:George White
Gender:Female
Where born:Boldre, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Boldre
Ecclesiastical parish:South Baddesley
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Registration district:Lymington
Sub-registration district:Lymington

George White 25
Mary Ann White 24
Alice Geor White 2
Elizabeth White 1

Edit: There is only one death registered for a George White in Lymington between 1861 and 1871..........and that is in 1861.

That would explain why Mary was in the Workhouse.

What it doesn't explain is who is the Father of Agnes Mary White.

If that is the correct information.........then it is highly unlikely that the name of Agnes's real Father will ever be know. :-(

Have you seen the photos of her?

But..........I can't find her with parents Stephen and Mary White lol!

Jude

Yes that is Alice and James in 1891 Jude.

If the daughter is Mary Elizabeth Carpenter.........it seems she was born before her parents marriage.

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
CARPENTER Mary Elizabeth Lymington 2b 678

Edit: Thank you for posting the death details.

I think the marriage cert would also state that her father was Stephen White.

As you say, it would depend on who registered the death and what information the informant was aware of.

And there's this death index from Australia

Name: Agnes Mary Carpenter
Death Date: 30 Aug 1953
Death Place: Queensland
Father's name: Stephen White
Mother's name: Mary
Registration Year: 1953
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 004152
Page Number: 368

Jude

A tree with lots of photos of her has father as Stephen White born Isle of Wight in 1836

Jude

And this is the 1891 census - yet another White connection

Name: Agnes M Carpenter
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Carpenter
Gender: Female
Where born: Lymington, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Hordle
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Arnewood
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 900
Folio: 73
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
James Carpenter 33
Agnes M Carpenter 25
Mary Carpenter 6
Ernesta White 3

Ernesta is shown as "niece"

Jude

Back in a mo with further info.........

Agnes White
England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index
Name: Agnes White
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1887
Registration District: Lymington
County: Hampshire
Event Place: Lymington, Hampshire, England
Volume: 2B
Page: 1031
Line Number: 375

Agnes White probably married one of the following people
Name: James Carpenter
Name: Delilah Ann Griffin
Name: Henry George Loader

Working on the idea that Mary Ann.......might be Mary Ann White

I came across this.........

Mary Ann White.... Inmate in the Lymington Union Workhouse

Mary Ann White in the 1871 England Census
Name:Mary Ann White
Age:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1836
Relation:Inmate
Gender:Female
Where born:Boldre, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Lymington
Town:Lymington
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Registration district:Lymington
Sub-registration district:Lymington

Mary Ann White 35 Widow.........Laundress

Also on the list of Inmates are.......

Elizabeth Whitt Inmate 13 1858 Female Boldre Hampshire
Anne Whitt Inmate 9 1862 Female Lymington Hampshire
*Agnes* Whitt Inmate 7 1864 Female Lymington Hampshire <<<<
Alice Mintern Inmate 5 1866 Female Lymington

(Whitt.......is actually White on the image)

>>>>Take note of.........Alice Mintern<<<<<