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Jill
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12 Mar 2015 14:17 |
I have found William Summers dob c1811 born either Molash or Challock, Kent., the records vary and his name is sometimes Sammers. He married Elizabeth Amos in 1842 (born Challock) Children Walter Austin 1857 Charlotte c1855 Ann c1860 George c1850 Frederick c1852 John c1848 I am trying, without success to find William's parents. I think his father was born Molash.
I may have completely the wrong family but my great grandfather was Walter Austin born in 1857 so think I might be on the right track.
I would really appreciate some help please!
Thank you
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Jacqueline
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12 Mar 2015 14:22 |
If you get a copy of the marriage cert you'll find out who his father was - if he knew him
You'll also get a better idea of when he was born
For INFO
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Leese, Challock, East Ashford, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Summer Head - Male 53 1818 - Kent, England MOLASH on image Elizabeth Summer Wife - Female 51 1820 - Kent, England Transcription John Summer Son - Male 22 1849 - Kent, England Transcription George Summer Son - Male 20 1851 - Kent, England Transcription Charlotte Summer Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Kent, England Transcription Walter Summer Son - Male 13 1858 - Kent, England Transcription Ann Summer Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Kent, England Transcription Jane Summer Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Kent, England Transcription
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Jill
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12 Mar 2015 14:23 |
Thank you very much Jacqueline
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Jacqueline
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12 Mar 2015 14:31 |
I've tried to find him in 1841, with no success whatsoever. Sorry
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Jill
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12 Mar 2015 14:34 |
Yes I have as well. Thank you for looking
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12 Mar 2015 14:36 |
Presumably him?
Name: Walter Austin Sammer Gender: Male Baptism Date: 28 Jun 1857 Baptism Place: Challock, Kent, England Father: William Sammer Mother: Elizabeth Sammer FHL Film Number: 1786210
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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12 Mar 2015 14:38 |
?????????
Name: William Sammer Gender: Male Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1819 Baptism Place: Molash, Kent, England Father: John Sammer Mother: Maria Sammer FHL Film Number: 1835505 Reference ID: item 3
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Jill
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12 Mar 2015 14:38 |
Thank you very much. I am finding it confusing when his name keeps changing!
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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12 Mar 2015 14:39 |
As his first child wass John I should think this could be right as they had naming patterns back in those days.
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Jill
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12 Mar 2015 14:41 |
Thank you very much. I am finding it confusing when his name keeps changing!
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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12 Mar 2015 14:41 |
Name: William Sammon [William Summers/Sammers] Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Sammon Gender: Male Where born: Moldash, Kent, England Civil Parish: Challock County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address:
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Registration district: East Ashford Sub-registration district: Wye ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 64 Piece: 516 Folio: 83 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age William Sammon 42 Elizabeth Sammon 48 John Sammon 13 George Sammon 11 Frederic Sammon 9 Charlotte Sammon 6 Walter Sammon 3 Anne Sammon 1
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12 Mar 2015 14:44 |
This looks like it could be him with his mother.
Name: William Sammers Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: Rolvenden Hundred: Rolvenden County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address:
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Registration district: Tenterden Sub-registration district: Rolvenden Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 475 Book: 12 Folio: 54 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Weston 45 Sarah Weston 45 Caroline Weston 15 Ellen Weston 10 William Weston 6 Maria Sammers 40************************ William Sammers 20*************************** Richard Barnes 1
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12 Mar 2015 14:45 |
Canterbury Marriages Transcription
First name(s) William Last name Sammers Marriage year 1842 Marriage day 11 Marriage month Jun Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian Spouse's first name(s) Eliz Spouse's last name Amos Groom's father's first name(s) John Groom's father's last name Sammers County Kent Country England Archive reference U3/27/1/7 Year range 1837-1928 Page 8 Record set Canterbury Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
(find my past)
So at least we can confirm that his father was called John
Added - a double wedding with a sister?
First name(s) Sarah Ann Last name Sammers Birth year 1823 Marriage year 1842 Marriage day 11 Marriage month Jun Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Sole Groom's father's first name(s) Edward Groom's father's last name Sole Bride's age 19 Bride's father's first name(s) John Bride's father's last name Sammers County Kent Country England Archive reference U3/27/1/7 Year range 1837-1928 Page 8 Record set Canterbury Marriages
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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12 Mar 2015 14:45 |
Both were born in the county on the 1841 I just put up.
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Dawn
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12 Mar 2015 14:46 |
Hi William Sammers born 09.04.1819 in Molash died 27.01.1888 in Challock. Parents:- John Sammers born 09.07.1780 in Challock died 1847 in Challock. & Maria Waddle born c1890 died 26.09.1845 in Challock. They were married 08.09.1816 in Westwell, Kent.
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12 Mar 2015 14:50 |
Dawn - the image on FMP for the baptism states that 9 Apr 1819 was when he was baptised. There is no mention of his date of birth. His father John was a labourer.
Good find though! :-D
Added - ditto the death. Its actually the date of burial. He was aged 70 Without checking, the other dates are likely to be the date of Baptism (unless that was actually noted on the register) or date of Burial
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12 Mar 2015 14:54 |
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
John Sammers christening: 9 July 1780********************** Challock, Kent, England father: Peter Sammers**************** mother: Sarah Sammers********************
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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12 Mar 2015 14:57 |
Two more children for John and Maria and William 1819 had a daughter called Charlotte maybe after his siter?
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Father John Sammer
spouse: Maria Sammer
child: Sarah Anne Sammer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Father John Sammers spouse: Maria Sammers
child: Charlotte Sammers
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12 Mar 2015 15:03 |
First name(s) John Last name Sammers Birth year 1778 Death year 1847 Age 69 Burial year 1847 Burial day 21 Burial month May Burial place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian County Kent Archive reference U3/27/1/12 Page 26 Year range 1813-1980 Record set Canterbury Burials Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
Of Challock Parish but died in died at the Wilsborough Union (sic - workhouse?). Buried 21 May 1847 age 69
On the same image are burials for Charlotte Sammers buried 10 Oct 1847 age 20 Ann Marie Sammer buried 20 Oct 1847 Infant.
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12 Mar 2015 15:24 |
Now here’s an interesting thing. Remember how John Sammers’ father is named Peter? He was the witness to this marriage First name(s) Ann Last name Summer Marriage year 1801 Marriage day 21 Marriage month Nov Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian Spouse's first name(s) Edward**** Spouse's last name Sole**** Groom's parish Challock Bride's parish Challock County Kent Country England Archive reference U3/27/1/5 Year range 1754-1817 Page 31 Record set Canterbury Marriages
Previously posted was the marriage of Sarah Ann Sammers to John Sole
First name(s) Sarah Ann Last name Sammers Birth year 1823 Marriage year 1842 Marriage day 11 Marriage month Jun Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Sole Groom's father's first name(s) Edward*** Groom's father's last name Sole*** Bride's age 19 Bride's father's first name(s) John Bride's father's last name Sammers County Kent Country England Archive reference U3/27/1/7 Year range 1837-1928 Page 8
Spotted who John Sole’s father was?? So would that make John and Sarah Ann cousins?
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