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Peter Gilbert Lewis
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11 Mar 2015 13:28 |
I have a rellie born in Wuchang China 1917.. his parents were Robert Maxwell Carnson born 1889. married to a Jennie Burton in Wigan 28 07 1891. I am looking to find out why they moved to Wuchang China.(no date as to the move but Lomax Burton Carnson was born 12-02-1917) .Can anybody give me some help.
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11 Mar 2015 13:35 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Learn more Print transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) Robert Maxwell Last name Cornson Relationship to household head Student Marital condition Single Gender Male Age 22 Birth year 1889 Birth place Yorkshire Thornton Occupation Theological Student Address Wesleyan College Handsworth Birmingham Parish Handsworth County Staffordshire Country England Registration district West Bromwich Registration district number 371 Subdistrict Handsworth Subdistrict number 1 Enumeration district 24 Piece number 17229 Piece Number Suffix - Schedule number 165 Schedule Suffix - Census reference RG14PN17229 RG78PN1059 RD371 SD1 ED24 SN165 Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain
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11 Mar 2015 13:39 |
This from the 1911 census, would perhaps suggest that as he was a theology student he went to China as a missionary?
Name: Robert Maxwell Carnson Age in 1911: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Student (Institutional) Gender: Male Birth Place: Thornton, Yorkshire Civil Parish: Handsworth County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Wesleyan College, Handsworth, Birmingham Marital Status: Single Occupation: Theological student Registration district: West Bromwich Registration District Number: 371 Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Household schedule number: 212 Piece: 17229
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11 Mar 2015 13:43 |
They were back by 1922
Name: Robert Maxwell Carnson ( and Jennie ) Year: 1922 Country: England County: Surrey Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Epsom Place of Abode: -2 Worple Road Reference Number: CC802/35/3
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11 Mar 2015 13:44 |
ame: Reverend R M Carnson Gender: Male Departure Date: 26 Sep 1911 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Shanghai, China Ship Name: Prinzess Alice Search Ship Database: Search for the Prinzess Alice in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Norddeutscher Lloyd Master: Captain P Grosch
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11 Mar 2015 13:45 |
Reverend R M Carnson in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Reverend R M Carnson (Wesleyan minister) Gender: Male Age: 37 Birth Date: abt 1890 Departure Date: 21 Jan 1927 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa Ship Name: City of Karachi Search Ship Database: Search for the City of Karachi in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Ellerman & Bucknall Official Number: 120846 Master: A Thomson
travelling with Mrs Carnson, Master B ( Burton?) age 10 and master S aged 4
address 52 Lewisham Park SE 13
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11 Mar 2015 13:51 |
Robt Carnson in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Robt Carnson (Minister) Birth Date: abt 1889 Age: 41 Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa Arrival Date: 28 Jul 1930 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ship Name: Carnarvon Castle Search Ship Database: Search for the Carnarvon Castle in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 148766
travelling with Jennie, Lomax (13)and Malcolm (6)
address 6 Buckingham gate London Sw1
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11 Mar 2015 13:59 |
looks like he may also have travelled back alone during that period
Rolt Maxwell Carnson in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Record Image View Add alternate information Report issue Name: Rolt Maxwell Carnson (Robt ...Minister ) Birth Date: abt 1889 Age: 40 Port of Departure: Natal, Brazil ( listed as Brazil in error... but is South Africa on image) Arrival Date: Aug 1929 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ship Name: Armadale Castle Search Ship Database: Search for the Armadale Castle in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 118350
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11 Mar 2015 14:27 |
I think they came home from China via the USA, Robert, Jennie and infant Lomax B
Name: Robert M Carnson (missionary) Birth Date: abt 1889 Age: 28 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 24 Oct 1917 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: St Louis Search Ship Database: Search for the St Louis in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: American Line
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12 Mar 2015 09:59 |
Always worth googling someone, this link indicates that Robert Maxwell Carnton was a sci-fi writer as well as a minister:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/carnson_maxwell
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12 Mar 2015 10:03 |
It appears also that Robert was generally just known as "Maxwell Carnson" - loads of newspaper articles about him and his talks given.
ADDED: Also lots on FamilySearch
School Surname: Carnson Given Name: Robt Maxwell Father's Name: Geo H Carnson Mother's Name: Birth Date: School: Warrington Free Grammar School Residence Place: 15 Park View Wigan, Cheshire, England Event Date: 16 Sep 1902 (Edit: The image to this record is available on FindMyPast where it shows his father was also a Wesleyan minister. Robert left the school in July 1906 - his previous school was Erdington High School)
Death Age: 84 Given Name: Maxwell Middle Name: Surname: Carnson Name Suffix: Birth Date: 29 January 1889 State: California Last Place of Residence: Denver, Denver, Colorado Previous Residence Postal Code: 80203 Event Date: June 1973
His WW1 Draft card indicates he was a US resident and not just returning from China via that route: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-26183-29373-48?cc=1968530
He appears to have been back and forth across the Atlantic most of his life and seems to have settled in the US from the mid 1940s.
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12 Mar 2015 10:20 |
Arrival in the US from China:
California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1959 Name: Robert M Carnson Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1889 Age: 28 Arrival Date: 24 May 1917 Port of Arrival: San Francisco Ship Name: Colombia
Travelling with Jennie C (25) and Lomar B (3 months). They embarked Shanghai and onward destination was Des Moines, Iowa.
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12 Mar 2015 10:28 |
There are also entries in The Gazette relating to military commissions for both Lomax Burton Carnson and his father.
I'll let Peter know there is information here for him.
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