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Linda
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8 Mar 2015 17:31 |
Eleanor Elizabeth Barwis. born 1905 in Plymouth Devon Is there anybody out there related to this lady? My search says not.
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Gritty
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8 Mar 2015 17:40 |
Marriage:
Eleanor E Barwis Spouse : Hector R Hurrell Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924 Registration district: Devonport Inferred County: Devonshire Volume Number: 5b Page Number: 745
I see 3 possible births (Daughters) to this marriage- have you followed up on these? There are possible marriages for the daughters and entries on current electoral register.
Family moved to Nottingham:
Death: Name: Eleanor Elizabeth Hurrell Birth Date: 30 Aug 1905 Date of Registration: Mar 1973 Age at Death: 67 Registration district: Basford Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 3c Page: 157
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greyghost
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8 Mar 2015 17:42 |
What research have you already done Linda? What do you already know?
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 54 Townshend Avenue Devonport, Devonport, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Harry Barwis Head Married Male 50 1861 Cornwall Mylor Bridge Naval Pensioner Stoker Steamboat Hannah Maria Barwis Wife Married Female 43 1868 Cornwall Flushing - Gwendoline Barwis Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Devon Devonport Dresskmaker Apprentice Harry Lawrence Cantell Barwis Son Single Male 11 1900 Devon Devonport School Eleanor Elizabeth Barwis Daughter Single Female 5 1906 Devon Devonport School
Married 23 years 3 children born and 3 still living, so those are showing on the census.
Look for marriages of those children and offspring from those marriages - are none showing?
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8 Mar 2015 17:48 |
Harry and Hannah's marriage cert. is on FMP - Devon marriages image. 22 January 1888 at St James The Great, Devonport
Harry's Father shown as Robert Barwis a Pilot (expect as in Ship's pilot) and Hannah's Father as William Henry Cantell a Mariner, so possible to check for their siblings to find Aunts' Uncles, Cousins etc
Not seeing a marriage for Harry Lawrence b 1900 in England/Wales
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MargaretM
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8 Mar 2015 17:53 |
Possible death?
Eleanor Elizabeth Hurrell
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Record Image View
Name: Eleanor Elizabeth Hurrell Birth Date: 30 Aug 1905 Date of Registration: Mar 1973 Age at Death: 67 Registration district: Basford Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 3c Page: 157
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greyghost
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8 Mar 2015 17:54 |
Gwendoline is not showing with a middle initial on the census, but the only birth to fit shows Gwendoline Muriel Barwis 1894 Stoke Damerel, Devon
??so this marriage - there is only a transcription on FMP, no image
Devon Marriages Transcription Print transcription Attach to tree First name(s) Gwendoline Muriel Last name Barwis Marriage year 1915 Marriage date 30 Sep 1915 Parish St Mark Place Devonport, St Mark, Ford Spouse's first name(s) Reginald Henry Thomas Spouse's last name Knapman City or town Devonport County Devon
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8 Mar 2015 17:57 |
One child showing from that marriage
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
First name(s) ROMA G Last name KNAPMAN Birth year 1917 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's last name BARWIS District DEVONPORT County Devon Country England Volume 5B Page 414
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greyghost
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8 Mar 2015 18:02 |
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription Print transcription View image Attach to tree Spouse's first name(s) - Spouse's last name - First name(s) ROMA G Last name KNAPMAN Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1942 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ ROMA G KNAPMAN married JACK D SCHOFIELD Spouse's last name SCHOFIELD District CREWE District number - County Cheshire Country England Volume 8A Page 1115 -------------------------------------------------------------- ?? and this death
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) ROMA GWENDOLINE Last name SCHOFIELD Gender Female Birth day 4 Birth month 3 Birth year 1917 Age - Death quarter 4 Death year 2000 District WORCESTER District number 5271B Register number B69E Entry number 025 Date of registration mm/yy 1000 County Worcestershire
---------------------------------------------------------- Not seeing England/Wales births under Schofield/Barwis
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MargaretM
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8 Mar 2015 18:10 |
Brother Harry, doesn't mention a wife:
BARWIS, HARRY LAURENCE CANTELLRank:Chief Petty Officer WriterService No:D/M 26640Date of Death:10/12/1941Age:42Regiment/Service:Royal Navy H.M.S. Repulse Panel Reference:Panel 55, Column 1.Memorial:PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIALAdditional Information:Son of Harry and Hannah Maria Barwis, of Welling, Kent.
Probate only mentions parents and not a wife.
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malyon
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9 Mar 2015 12:34 |
hi 3 children girls born to marriage of barwis and hurrell in devon
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Cynthia
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9 Mar 2015 13:36 |
I'll remind Linda of how to find her replies :-)
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Linda
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9 Mar 2015 18:18 |
Thanks folks for all the in fo you sent. The lady in question s my mother and I wondered if there were any relatives out the about. Gwen and Ella had a brother Laurence who was drowned when the Repulse went down and I thought there may be some one there also Great Aunt Janey (Maria Barwis's sister) had 18 children and I kinow next to nothing about them. Thanks for your interest Linda Gwen Hurrell
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10 Mar 2015 10:23 |
"Janey" looks to have been registered as Elizabeth Jane and married under that name
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
First name(s) ELIZABETH JANE Last name CANTELL Birth year 1872 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's last name - District FALMOUTH County Cornwall Country England Volume 5C Page 190
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First name(s) ELIZABETH JANE Last name CANTELL Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1893 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ ELIZABETH JANE CANTELL married one of these people RICHARD JAMES GILBERT, ALFRED REEP Spouse's last name - District STOKE DAMEREL District number - County Devon Country England Volume 5B Page 734
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greyghost
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10 Mar 2015 10:31 |
It's unlikely that anyone related will just come across your thread - you need to be pro active and seek matches and information.
Go to Search at the top of the page and the Search All Members trees. Input the details you have and if there are matches the system will throw them up. Apart from yourself there are other people researching the family and you can then contact them.
Also use the free website http://www.freebmd.org.uk to check for bmd's from Q3 1837 to around 1960 or so (ongoing project to 1984 eventually)
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10 Mar 2015 10:47 |
Sorry, I jumped ahead there. Hannah Maria Cantell married Harry Barwis
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%) BARWIS Harry Stoke D. 5b 503 <<<<<<<<< CANTELL Hannah Maria Stoke D. 5b 503 <<<<<<<< CAUTELL Hannah Maria Stoke D. 5b 503 CREWS William Henry Stoke D. 5b 503 Furneaux Emma Stoke D. 5b 503
and the 1881 census puts (Hannah) Maria and (Elizabeth) Jane Cantell together
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 28, St Johns Place, Mylor, Falmouth, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Elizabeth Condict Head Widow Female 71 1810 Laundress Gerrans, Cornwall, England Maria Cantell Grand Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Flushing, Cornwall, England Jane Cantell Grand Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Flushing, Cornwall, England
Archive reference RG11 Piece number 2315 Folio 6 Page 6
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10 Mar 2015 10:55 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 25 Barton Avenue Devonport, Devonport, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation James Gilbert Head Married Male 39 1872 Porthleven Cornwall Chief Petty Officer Elizabeth Jane Gilbert Wife Married Female 39 1872 Flushing Parish of Mylor Cornwall - John Henry Gilbert Son - Male 14 1897 Flushing Parish of Mylor Cornwall School Vernon Hodge Neohew Single Male 15 1896 Devonport Devon School
Married 17 years 2 children born and 2 still living <<<<<<<<<<<<
Other child Reginald J b1895 Flushing according to 1901 census
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10 Mar 2015 11:42 |
1911 census shows Maria and Janes' parents still alive. England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 86 Station Road Devonport, Devonport, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Benjamin A M Hodge Head Married Male 50 1861 Mylor Cornwall Carpenter R N Lucy A P Hodge Wife Married Female 48 1863 Mylor Cornwall House -Keeper Dorothy Hodge Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Devonport Devon Assisting Her Mother Muriel Hodge Daughter - Female 12 1899 Devonport Devon School Stella Hodge Daughter - Female 10 1901 Devonport Devon School William H Cantell Visitor Married Male 72 1839 Itchen Ferry Hampshire Retired Captain M N Elizabeth Cantell Visitor Married Female 69 1842 Mylor Cornwall Housekeeper
State married 50 years (so c1860) - 9 children born, 6 still living
but GRO record shows 1869
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%) CANTELL William Henry Falmouth 5c 318 CANTWELL William Henry Falmouth 5c 318 CONDICT Elizabeth Falmouth 5c 318 Millett Ursula Falmouth 5c 318 RUSDEN Richard Lowry Falmouth 5c 318
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