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Please can someone see if they can find this man on the 1891 census. That is if it took place before he died. He was born in Alverstoke Gosport ,

This man is not related to me. Its just that for a photo comp I have to take a picture of a tombstone and I have picked his. He was buried in Anns Hill Cemetry and it says he drowned off the coast of Cape Horn. It also said he was a RNR.

His parents were George and Sarah Ann Tribe who are buried with him. I have found a bit of information about the parents but cant find anything out about him.

The tomb is a big tomb so I guess he came from a relatively well off family. I was just interested to find out more about him.

His Dad George was a dairyman, then he became a Licensed Victualler. He worked at The Royal Arms in Stoke Road. He also was a MP at one time.

I have tried Google and found a picture of his grave and that was about it.

Thanks for your help

Jane

George A Tribe

in the 1891 England Census

Name: George A Tribe
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah A Tribe
Gender: Male
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 878
Folio: 32
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah A Tribe 58
George A Tribe 19. app. merchant service midship. (RNR), born Hants., Gosport
Cecilia A Tribe 24
Maria Seymour 20

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Peel Terrace, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah A Tribe Head Widow Female 58 1833 Living On Her Own Means Gosport, Hampshire, England
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George A Tribe Son Single Male 19 1872 Apprentice Merchant Service Midship R N R Gosport, Hampshire, England
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Cecilia A Tribe Daughter Single Female 24 1867 - Gosport, Hampshire, England
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Maria Seymour Servant Single Female 20 1871 - Gosport, Hampshire, England

I see he drowned on his 20th. birthday, 20 June 1891.

Edit: Oops, just noticed that's in the title!

Thank you safc and Margee for all your help. That is my man.

Is there anyway I can find out which ship he was on?
Can you get service records for the merchant Navy like you can with the Royal Navy?

Jane

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14625524

Reference: ADM 240/21/56
Name: George Alfred Tribe.
Rank: Midshipman.
Date of Seniority: 20 June 1889.
Date of Birth: 20 June 1871.
Place of Birth: Gosport.

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Chris :)

http://graveyarddetective.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/victim-of-drowning.html

Thanks for that Chris

Next time I go to Kew I will take a look at his records. If that is possible

All the best

Jane

In case you don't have this and it might be of interest to you........his fathers Will

Name:George Tribe
Probate Date:12 May 1885
Death Date:25 Feb 1885
Death Place:Southampton, England
Registry:Principal Registry

Late of Peel Lodge Gosport.......died at Peel Lodge...was proved at the Principal Registry by Sarah Ann Tribe of Peel Lodge Widow the Relict and sole Executrix.

Personal Estate: £4,487 13s 2d

The ship was the Cairnsmore:

First name(s) GEORGE ALFRED
Last name TRIBE
Gender Male
Age 19
Birth year 1872
Death year 1891
Vessel CAIRNSMORE
Year range 1891
Page 171
Record source GRO Marine Death Indices (1846 to 1902)
Record set British nationals died overseas 1818-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Cairnsmore

Three-masted iron [?] barque built in 1884 by J. Reid & Co., Port Glasgow, as NB 7. Dimensions: 58,10×9,95×6,22 meters and tonnage: 906 GRT, 784 NRT, and 1380 DWT.
1884
Launched at the shipyard of J. Reid & Co., Port Glasgow, for Nicholson & M'Gill, Liverpool.
1899
Sold to J.&J. Rae & Co. Liverpool.
1907
Sold to Christoffer Hannevig, Horten, Norway.
1916
Equipped with two oil-engines of 125 hp each driving two propellors.
1916 April 10
Sold to Captain Helmer Modin, Stockholm, for SEK 350.000 and renamed Hofvid. Assigned the official Swedish Registration No. 5828. The new measurements were 58,10×9,95×6,22 meters and tonnage: 906 GRT, 784 NRT, and 1380 DWT.
1916 June
Left Moss under command of Captain Harald Ödman, Gothenburg.
1918 April 13
Stranded South of Pernambuco, Brasil, with a cargo of linseed.
1918 September 5
Sold at an auction to buyers in Bahia, probably broken up on the spot.

Seems like they'd lost crewmen off the ship before, eg in Feb of the same year:

Daily Alta California, Volume 84, Number 50, 19 February 1891

The Cairnsmore Loses Several Men.

A despatch from Queenstown to the Merchants' Exchange states that the British ship Cairnsmore arrived there yesterday, and reports having experienced etorms off Cape Horn. Two seamen were washed overboard and drowned, and three others badly injured. The Cairnsmore is commanded by Captain Curswell, and sailed from Tacoma on October 6th last.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18910219.2.56.4

This description of the Cainsmore has a small image of the ship at the bottom of the page

http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=19192

Thank you so much Kucinta. I didn't have any of that information. Very interesting.

Its amazing what you can find out about a complete stranger.

The grave looks big and important compared to others in the cemetery. I just had to look into the family.

Thank you so much for all your help

Jane

I would doubt that his body would actually be buried in the cemetery. I suspect he would have been washed overboard in the rough seas of the Cape and his body never recovered. Even if it had been recovered they wouldn't have been able to keep the body for the long trip home, probably buried at sea.

True Margee

I hadn't thought about that. Yes you are probably right. Its a nice thought though having the family buried together even if its not physically possible.

Jane