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there is no law against marrying your cousin, the law was changed by Henry Vlll so that he could marry his cousin,

so far as I am aware, there was no law against first cousins marrying back then

.............. and I'm not sure that there is even now


It is not recommended medically, as such marriages increase the chance of a recessive disease will appear in the offspring.

I have been sifting through the Tipple records that i have and i have made a few startling discoveries.. George Tipple, Albert's father was born in Gravesend kent..
Sarah Ann Agnes Tipple born in Gravesend ,kent. I checked the 1871 census and they are both there as brother and sister,father's name William.
I have the marriage cert of Sarah Tipple to Frederick oram, her father's name is William. This must mean that Emily Oram and Albert Tipple were first cousins, yet they both married each other!!!. Was this really allowed back then, or have i discovered a " Skeleton in the cupboard" ?

I posted a death registration last night for a George Tipple who died in 1916 ............

and I had found him in the Workhouse on the 1911 Census, and posted that ........................


Strange the lies our ancestors told :-D

interesting!!

The Phoebe Tipple in the Asylum says she is widowed :-)


1911 Census

Name: Phoebe Tipple
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: SHADWELL, London, England
Civil Parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Blackwell Sick Asylum, Poplar and Stepney District, Blackwall Blanch, Blackwall Pier, London E
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Poplar


no further information about her on the image

This information has filled in some interesting gaps in my family tree. When i asked my uncle's about Emily, ( she would be their grandmother) none of them knew.My Mother Lorna,( deceased) Emily's granddaughter knew nothing about her.

Julia Amelia died in 1894 age 31, then he married phoebe , she was in Blackwell Asylum in 1911 & he was in the workhouse. Pheobe died in 1935

Thank you for the info of Emily marrying Albert Tipple. I was a bit curious why she had used tipple as her last name. I knew it was her mothers maiden name. I will investigate further.

Emily's father married Sarah Ann A Tipple .................... is there a connection between her and Albert Tipple's family?


Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)

ORAM Frederick Jarvis Hackney 1b 702
TIPPLE Sarah Ann A Hackney 1b 702





Name: Sarah A. Oram
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Frederick J. Oram
Gender: Female
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England

George Tipple was in the Workhouse in 1911 ........


1911 Census

Name: George Tipple
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Gravesend, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: St Olave's Union Workhouse, Ladywell Road, Lewisham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: FORMERLY METALLIC CAPSULE MAKER
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 57-61
Piece: 2806



????? his death

Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)

Tipple George 55 St.Olave 1d 203

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)

Tipple Albert George Holborn 1b 744


Deaths Mar 1894 (>99%)

Tipple Julia Amelia 31 St. Olave 1d 173


Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)

Mackway Phoebe St. Olave 1d 503
Tipple George St. Olave 1d 503

This looks like Albert in 1911.........

1911 Census

Name: Albert Tipple
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Smeeth and Bircholt
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Woolpack Inn Cottage,Smeeth,Kent
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Potman
Registration district: East Ashford
Registration District Number: 56
Sub-registration district: Brabourne
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 129
Piece: 4280

John James Stevens 32
Albert Tipple 20
Charles William Thorry 22



and this could be him in 1901, with his parents ........... his original next-of-kin when he enlisted was sister Elizabeth Tipple (address unknown)

1901 Census

Name: Albert G Tipple
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Tipple George
Mother: Phoebe Tipple
Birth Place: St Luke, London, England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 05

Piece: 397
Folio: 137
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 52

Tipple George 40 b.ca 1861, Gravesend, Kent, Licensed Victualler
Phoebe Tipple 46 b.ca 1855, Stepney, London
Elizabeth M Tipple 15
Albert G Tipple 10
Louisa Hibbins 19 General Domestic Servant

Address:- 380 Rotherhithe Street



It looks as though his mother died, and his father had married again .............. this is the 1891 Census

1891 Census

Name: Albert G Tipple
Age: 0
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Tipple
Mother's name: Julia A Tipple <<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, London, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Piece: 231
Folio: 101
Page Number: 22

George Tipple 30 b.ca 1861, Gravesend, Kent, Metallic Capsule Maker
Julia A Tipple 28 b.ca 1863, St Luke, London
Elizabeth M Tipple 5
Albert G Tipple 0

Address:- 20 Nelson Street

from Albert Tipple's Service Record on ancestry



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Record Image View

Name: Albert Tipple
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1894
Enlistment Age: 22
Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1918
Marriage Place: Parish Church Lower Howerton
Document Year: 1916
Residence Place: 133 High St, Homerton
Regimental Number: 220004
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of Images: 28
Form Title: Record of Service
Other Records: Search for 'Albert Tipple' in other WWI collections

Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Albert Tipple Self (Head)
Emily Agnes Smith Spouse
Frederick Smith Tipple Child
Walter George Smith Tipple Child
??ice Elizabeth Smith Tipple Child
??y Emily Smith Tipple Child
?? James Smith Tipple Child


The record pages are quite badly damaged by fire ......... the ?? before the children's names are because of this


from the record images ................

Albert Tipple enlisted on 2 Nov 1916, age 22 years 6 months. He was a potman

He married Emily Agnes Smith, Widow, on 2 Feb 1918, at the Parish Church, Homerton

he claimed the following children as his dependents ....

Frederick Smith born 14-4-07, Hackney
Walter George Smith ... no birth information
Alice Elizabeth Smith 17-9-04 Hackney
xxxx Emily Smith 15-10-19 Hackney
xxxx James Smith 5-2-14 Hackney


14-11-19 Admitted to hospital

Hospital record 29-11-19 to 17-12-19 ...............

Diabetes, semi-conscious, then coma

Died 17-12-19 Bermondsey Military Hospital from 1.Diabetes 2. Acetomemia

Body claimed on 22-12-19 by relatives on behalf of widow Mrs E Tipple, 8 Link Street, Hommerton




UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929

Name: Albert Tipple
Gender: Male
Death Date: 17 Dec 1919
Rank: Private
Regiment: Army Service Corps
Regimental Number: T4/220004
Other Records: Search for 'Albert Tipple' in other WWI collections


Emily A Tipple received his effects (ie pay) of £18 11s 3d, which included the War Gratuity of £15 10s 0d




Deaths Dec 1919 (>99%)

Tipple Albert 25 Lewisham 1d 1218

this may answer why she was calling herself TIPPLE .
Emily a Smith married a Albert Tipple on 2nd feb 1918 while he was on leave from the army. Sadly he was wounded and admitted to hospital on the 14-11-1919 were he died 17-12-1919

on his war record he lists wife Emily and all the children are recorded as Smith-
Tipple's.
On his effects he leaves his army pay to his widow Emily

I've checked the ER's and Emily is with her husband and the Carroll family in 1930 but not showing after this
Her husband is still living with the Carroll's

I think this may well be Emily's death with a few years shaved off her age



Deaths Mar 1932

Weller Emily A 50 London C. 1c 21

Andrew

You would need the death certificate to check the informant's name and her address

I have also checked for emily's death date and there are no records in London, but Brighton is the closest i have got. I will investigate further.
Thank you for the info.

The death in 1949 was an Emily Alice Weller


Name: Emily Alice Weller
Death: 17 Feb 1949 - Brighton, England
Other: 20 Apr 1949 - Lewes

Could Emily have moved to the coast? The registration shows died aged 72.
1949-72 = 1877 but as the death was Q1 much more likely to have been born 1876. It's the only Emily A death

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) EMILY A
Last name WELLER
Gender Female
Birth year 1877
Age 72
Death quarter 1
Death year 1949
District BRIGHTON
County Sussex
Volume 5H
Page 192
Country England

EDIT - there was an Emily Alice Weller b Brighton RD 1876 so possibly not!

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Durrington Road Clapton Park London N E, St John At Hackney, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Frederick G Smith Head Married Male 33 1878 Fulham London Stoaker Distributor
Emily A Smith Wife Married Female 34 1877 Islington London -
Alice E Smith Daughter - Female 6 1905 Homerton London School
Frederick G Smith Son - Male 3 1908 Homerton London -
Daisy E Smith Daughter - Female 0 1911 Homerton London -

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