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27 Feb 2015 07:59 |
I found Georges baptism on the Sheffield indexes
Holland, George (of Sheffield, born 1828-11-19). Baptised December 14, 1828, by E M Hall at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Elizabeth & James (Cutler). Note:
Shows the mother as Elizabeth,
It does state on the MC for James and Matilda that James is a Widower so it looks like he remarried. Is there a way of confirming that his first wife and mother of George was Elizabeth Simpson?
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26 Feb 2015 14:05 |
Thank you for this, looks like I am on the correct lines.
Much appreciated will pass this information onto my cousins.
Have a good day
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26 Feb 2015 13:53 |
This is the son of George and Sarah.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Arundel Lane, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place James Holland Male 30 1811 Yorkshire, England Table Knife Cutler Matilda Holland Female 20 1821 Yorkshire, England Transcription Ann Gleave Female 60 1781 -
Matilda seems to have died in 1847.
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26 Feb 2015 13:45 |
Now that is interesting because what I was given was
1 James HOLLAND ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1809, Sheffield Cathedral (St.Peter`s c 21 Apr 1809) Death: 2 10 1880, Sheffield general cemetry Occ: Table Knife Cutler
bachelor when wed signed register with an X
Spouse: Elizabeth SIMPSON Death: 29 12 1831 Birth: 12 1798, Low Moor, Bradford Father: Joseph SIMPSON (1767-) Mother: Mary TORDOFF (1765-) Marr: 2 7 1828, Sheffield Cathedral
Children: George (1828-1894)
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26 Feb 2015 13:42 |
James, the father of James born March 22 and christened 21 Apr 1809 in Sheffield was a shoemaker.
There are also these baptisms which are around the same time.
First name(s) James Last name Holland Birth year 1810 Birth date 01 May 1810 Baptism year 1815 Baptism date 13 Aug 1815 Baptism place Sheffield Father's first name(s) Geoe, cutler Mother's first name(s) Sarah
First name(s) James Last name Holland Birth year 1811 Birth date 28 May 1811 Baptism year 1811 Baptism date 03 Jul 1811 Baptism place Sheffield Father's first name(s) Mattw, scissors Mother's first name(s) Mary
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26 Feb 2015 12:06 |
arggghh that matches the information I have been given by my cousins I think that is where my cousins got the information from.
Is it possible they are right and the MC is the wrong one?
The mystery goes on.
Thank for the information Yvonne
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26 Feb 2015 11:56 |
James Holland mentioned in the record of James Holland and Elizabeth Simpson Name: James Holland Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Simpson Event Date: 02 Jul 1828 Event Place: Cathedral Saint Peter,Sheffield,York,England
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26 Feb 2015 11:54 |
James Holland England Births and Christenings Name: James Holland Gender: Male Christening Date: 21 Apr 1809 Christening Place: CATHEDRAL SAINT PETER,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: 22 Mar 1809 Father's Name: James Holland Mother's Name: Lucy Ann
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26 Feb 2015 09:21 |
Thanks for that information something to look into.
The mystery is that two of my cousins have James parents as James Holland and Lucy Ann Gregory married 04 Feb 1806 in Cathedral Saint Peter,Sheffield,York,England.
So I am trying to clarify whether the information I have is right or are they right and I am wrong.
Regards Candis
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26 Feb 2015 08:59 |
Handsworth is a district in Sheffield. Maybe James' parents marriage?
Name:George Holland
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:10 Sep 1809
Marriage Place:Handsworth,York,England
Spouse: Sarah Holmes
FHL Film Number:990889
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26 Feb 2015 08:56 |
Possible baptism
Name:James Holland
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:13 Aug 1815
Baptism Place:Cathedral Saint Peter,Sheffield,York,England
Father: Geoe. Holland
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number:919328, 919329, 919360, 919361, 919362
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26 Feb 2015 08:29 |
James married Matilda in 1841
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26 Feb 2015 07:58 |
This is everything I have so far
James Holland 1809-1880
The story so far Marriage certificate for George Holland and Mary Ann Simpson, shows that George’s father is James Holland a Cutler The 1841 census George Holland is a lodger not with his father James. George is unmarried, 23 years old born 1820 Sheffield and is a Tailor. This matches the Marriage Cert I have for George and Mary Ann From the Sheffield indexes there is a baptism for George Holland Born the 19 November 1828 Sheffield. Baptised, 14 December 1828. Parents are Elizabeth and James a Cutler this fits the above information. I have not managed to find a marriage for James Holland to an Elizabeth Death Certificate for James Holland Died 29 September 1990 Union Workhouse, Sheffield, aged 71. Occupation table knife cutler. Cause of death Senectus (old age). Informant J Heasite, master of the union workhouse, Sheffield. Working back from this with censuses etc. 1871 census There is James Holland living with a wife Annie. James is aged 61 a table knife cutler born abt 1810 Sheffield. Annie is 44 born America. This is the only James Holland in Sheffield in 1871 I have found, however I do not think this correct. 1861 census There is a J Holland who is an inmate at the Sheffield Union Workhouse (now this fits with the death certificate) he is a widower aged 52 a cutler.
1851 census There is James Holland aged 42 born abt 1809 Sheffield is a widower, living at Sheffield Park; he is a table knife hafter. There is a son James Holland, aged 9 born abt 1842 Sheffield. There is also a lodger Henry Padler, aged 21, born 1830 Sheffield is a labourer. 1841 census There is a James Holland aged 32, a table knife cutler, living with him is a Matilda aged 20 and John Gleave who is aged 60.
Marriage Certificate for James Holland and Matilda Bradewell Gleave
Married 09 May 1841 James Holland is 30 a widower, cutler. I cannot make out the residence. His father is George Holland and a cutler.
I am tempted to think this is correct and that James father is George???
Death for Elizabeth nee Simpson possible 29 December 1831
Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this?
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