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Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Frederick Edlie
Last name Frost
Marriage year 1885
Parish St.James
Place Riddings
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Barnes
Reference RI/01/248
Register Office 392
County Derbyshire

(above goes with 1885 Marriage, Derek on below link might be able to find out more for you!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073

Chris :)


National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) MARTHA
Last name FROST
Birth year 1827
Death year 1876
Age 49
Burial year 1876
Burial day 16
Burial month 11
Place IRONVILLE
Church description CHRIST CHURCH
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Derbyshire


Derbyshire Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Frederick
Last name Frost
Birth date 11 May 1864
Baptism year 1865
Baptism day 7
Baptism month May
Place Ironville Christ Church
Parents William & Martha
Father's occupation Smith
Residence Ironville
County Derbyshire

Keith ............


you are very welcome



Someone else may be able to find Frederick and Mary's marriage in a Parish Record.


I can find no other record of him as Frederick Edlie Frost!

Frederick's father must have married twice .............. this looks like Frederick with his parents in 1871, and his mother is called Martha


1871 Census

Name: Fred Frost
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Frost
Mother's name: Martha Frost
Gender: Male
Where born: Selston, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Alfreton
Ecclesiastical parish: Ironville
Town: Ironville
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Alfreton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 3593
Folio: 24
Page Number: 7

William Frost 49 b.ca 1822, Selston, Blacksmith
Martha Frost 44 b.ca 1837, Selston,
Peveril Frost 20 b.ca 1851, Selston
Dora Frost 14 b.ca 1857, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Reuben Frost 15 b.ca 1856, Sheffield
Fred Frost 6
Asenath Frost 2 b.ca 1869, Ironville, Derbyshire

Address:- 26 Victoria Street




I think this might be Martha's death ...........

Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%)

Frost Martha 49 Basford 7b 64




and that this is William's marriage to Emma, his wife as shown in the 1881 Census


Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)

Frost William Belper 7b 660
TEW Emma Mary Belper 7b 660

Thank you SylviaInCanada. Once again I am amazed at the people on this forum.

Cheers

This looks as if it might be Mary in 1881


1881 Census

Name: Mary Barnes
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: William Barnes
Mother: Elizabeth Barnes
Gender: Female
Where born: Green Hill Lane, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Alfreton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: George St

Occupation: Pupil Teacher National
Registration district: Belper
Sub registration district: Alfreton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Piece: 3417
Folio: 113
Page Number: 35

William Barnes 47 b.ca 1834, Crich, Derbyshire, Colliery Labourer
Elizabeth Barnes 49 b.ca 1832, Ratcliffe, Nottinghamshire
William Barnes 16 b.ca 1865, Green Hill Lane, General Labourer out of employment
Mary Barnes 17

This looks as though it could be their marriage .................. Belper is the registration District which includes Alfreton ..........


Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)

Barnes Mary Belper 7b 791
Frost Frederick Edlie Belper 7b 791

In 1891, they are living in Derbyshire ............... which may be an indication that that is where they married.


1891 Census

Name: Frederick Frost
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Frost
Gender: Male
Where born: Westwood, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Alfreton
Ecclesiastical parish: Riddings
Town: Riddings
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Belper
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Piece: 2749
Folio: 80
Page Number: 31

Frederick Frost 27 Blacksmith
Mary Frost 27 b.ca 1864, Gramhill Lane, Derbyshire <<< this looks more like Greenhill Lane on the image

Address:- Bullock Lane



1901 Census

Name: Frederick Frost
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Frost
Birth Place: Westwood, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Etruria St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Piece: 2605
Folio: 143
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 85

Frederick Frost 36 Shopkeeper, Grocery
Mary Frost 36 b.ca 1865, Riddings, Derbyshire

Address:- 165 Etruria Road



Frederick moved with his family to Derbyshire sometime between his birth in ca 1865 and the 1871 Census, when he and his parents are shown living in Alfreton, Derbyshire

This means he and Mary married in Derbyshire


1881 Census

Name: Fredrick Frost
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Frost
Mother: Emma Mary Frost
Gender: Male
Where born: Selstone, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Codnor Park
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Forge Row

Occupation: Smith Striker
Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Piece: 3320
Folio: 138
Page Number: 32

William Frost 59 b.ca 1822, Selstone, Nottinghamshire, Engine Smith (E&M)
Emma Mary Frost 46 b.ca 1835, Southwark, London, Middlesex
Fredrick Frost 16
Aseneth Frost 12
Sarah Elizabeth Frost 6
Alfred George Masters 21 Boarder
James Price 19 Boarder

Address:- 8 Forge Row

for our reference .............. this is the 1911 Census

1911 Census

Name: Horace Lionel Melville Frost
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 165 Etruria Road, Hanley, Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 16527

Frederick Frost 46 b.ca 1865, Westwood, Nottinghamshire, shopkeeper Grocer & Provision Dealer
Mary Frost 46 b.ca 1865, Riddings, Derbyshire
Vera Elizabeth Frost 9 b.ca 1902, Hanley
Horace Lionel Melville Frost 4


from image:-

Married 25 years, 3 children born, 1 died, 2 still alive

Here is another small problem you may be able to solve for me.

In the 1911 Census my grand father Horace Lionel Melville Frost c1907 and his sister Vera Elizabeth Frost c1901 appear. Their parents appear as Frederick Frost c1865 and Mary Frost c1865.
From Horace and Vera's birth documents their mothers maiden name appears as Barnes. I am trying to find some more details for her, such as her forename and marriage details.
Any help would be great.

Many thanks to all of you. Special thanks for the link to the Staffordshire BMD. This stuff is too addictive. Thanks again.

If that 1881 census posted by Lynne is the correct Lizzie, here she is in 1891:

Lizzie Baggaley

in the 1891 England Census
Name: Lizzie Baggaley
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Trentham
Ecclesiastical parish: Dresden
Town: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2146
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary E Baggaley 65
James R Mitcheson 27 - grandson(-in-law)
Francis Mitcheson 22 - grand-daughter
Elizabeth F Mitcheson 1 - gr-grand-daughter
Ethel Mitcheson 6 Weeks - gr- grand-daughter
Lizzie Baggaley 11
Tom Baggaley 15 - grandson
Frederick Maskery 30 - lodger
Arthur Landon 24 - lodger

My grandmother's name was Lizzie which I assumed was a nickname for Elizabeth. When I started doing family tree I was looking for Elizabeth but found no records until I found out that her actual name was Lizzie, she was born, married and died as Lizzie. She was never Elizabeth.

(could be!)

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
BAGGALLEY Lizzie Trentham Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Mother Maiden Name) DEGG TRE/20/120

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868
DEGG Eliza BAGGELLEY William Dresden, Resurrection Stoke-On-Trent 7/01/014.

Chris :)

If the Lizzie above is the correct Lizzie, then this looks like her during the 1881 census with her parents and siblings:


Name:Lizzie Baggelley
Age:1
Estimated birth year:abt 1880
Relationship to Head:Daughter
Father:William Baggelley
Mother:Eliza Baggelley
Gender:Female
Where born:Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish:Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island:Staffordshire
Country:England
Street address:1 Wharf St
Education:Employment status:
View image
Registration district:Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district:Longton
ED, institution, or vessel:7
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:2733
Folio:130
Page Number:2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Baggelley 34
Eliza Baggelley 38
Frances L. Baggelley 12
William Baggelley 10
Sarah A. Baggelley 8
Tom Baggelley 6
Lizzie Baggelley 1
Thomas Degg 67 Father in law to William - Hence Lizzie's grandfather
Hannah Degg 58 Mother in law to William - Hence Lizzie's grandmother
James Massey 20 Lodger

Possible birth for Lizzie:-

First name(s) LIZZIE
Last name BAGGALLEY
Birth year 1880
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District STONE
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 43

and possible baptism:-

First name(s) Lizzie
Last name Baggaley
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 29 Mar 1880
Baptism place Dresden, Resurrection
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3641/1/2
Page 97
Register Type Baptisms
Record set Staffordshire baptisms

Kath. x

1911 census for reference:

Name:Lizzie Rawlinson
Age in 1911:33
Estimated birth year:abt 1878
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Civil Parish:Wolstanton
County/Island:Staffordshire
Country:England
Street address:13 Dimsdale Parade, Wolstanton, Staffs
Marital Status:Married
Registration district:Wolstanton
Registration District Number:360
Sub-registration district:Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Household schedule number:256
Piece:16443
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Rawlinson 31
Lizzie Rawlinson 33
Millicent May Rawlinson 2

Chris :-)

There is no mention of Lizzie in Lewis' probate not does it state he is a widower



Name:Lewis Rawlinson of: 18 South Terrace, Wolstanton

Probate Date:5 Nov 1963

Death Date:27 Aug 1963

Death Place:Staffordshire, England

Registry:London, England

Probate to: Millicent May Frost (wife of Horace Lionel Melville Frost) £3655 14s 4d

(spot on Gins, lol)

Chris :)

(not sure if below)

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
BAGGELEY Lizzie Wolstanton Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Mother Maiden Name) PALIN WOL/042/350


Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
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BAGGALEY Mary Wolstanton 6b 231
BAGGOLEY Joseph Wolstanton 6b 231
HARRIS Isaac Wolstanton 6b 231
Palin Sarah Wolstanton 6b 231


Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
BAGGLEY Levi Wolstanton 6b 119
Hough Caroline Wolstanton 6b 119
Millington Frederic Wolstanton 6b 119
Palin Eliza Wolstanton 6b 119

Looks like this one



Marriages Sep 1903

BAGGALEY Lizzie Wolstanton 6b 238
Rowlinson Lewis Wolstanton 6b 238

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903

RAWLINSON Lewis BAGGALEY Lizzie Civil Marriage (Wolstanton) Stoke-On-Trent WRO/45/059

(above perhaps, from below link)

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

Chris :)

(below Marriage Cert. would help)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
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BAGGALEY Lizzie Wolstanton 6b 238
Rowlinson Lewis Wolstanton 6b 238


Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Rawlinson Millicent May Wolstanton 6b 71

(above Cert. will help with Mother Maiden Name)