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26 Feb 2015 07:27 |
Hello all. I am hoping someone can offer a suggestion. I am trying to find the maiden name of my great grand mother. She was married to Lewis Rawlinson Born c1880. I believe she went by the name Lizzie (from the 1911 Census) and was born around 1878 in Wolstanton Staffordshire. I have confirmed with my parents that was the name she went by and that her daughter also listed on the 1911 Census was indeed Millicent May Rawlinson (my grand mother) Living in Australia with elderly parents, who have never returned to the UK after they left in 1957, means I have not many more details to go by. Its her maiden name that I am trying to find as to open up another field of searching. I hope that all makes sense. Cheers Keith Frost Australia
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Feb 2015 07:31 |
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
RAWLINSON Lewis BAGGALEY Lizzie Civil Marriage (Wolstanton) Stoke-On-Trent WRO/45/059
(above perhaps, from below link)
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/
Chris :)
(below Marriage Cert. would help)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------- BAGGALEY Lizzie Wolstanton 6b 238 Rowlinson Lewis Wolstanton 6b 238
Births Sep 1908 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------ Rawlinson Millicent May Wolstanton 6b 71
(above Cert. will help with Mother Maiden Name)
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Gee
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26 Feb 2015 07:31 |
Looks like this one
Marriages Sep 1903
BAGGALEY Lizzie Wolstanton 6b 238 Rowlinson Lewis Wolstanton 6b 238
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Feb 2015 07:37 |
(spot on Gins, lol)
Chris :)
(not sure if below)
Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1884 BAGGELEY Lizzie Wolstanton Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Mother Maiden Name) PALIN WOL/042/350
Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- BAGGALEY Mary Wolstanton 6b 231 BAGGOLEY Joseph Wolstanton 6b 231 HARRIS Isaac Wolstanton 6b 231 Palin Sarah Wolstanton 6b 231
Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- BAGGLEY Levi Wolstanton 6b 119 Hough Caroline Wolstanton 6b 119 Millington Frederic Wolstanton 6b 119 Palin Eliza Wolstanton 6b 119
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Gee
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26 Feb 2015 07:46 |
Chris :-)
There is no mention of Lizzie in Lewis' probate not does it state he is a widower
Name:Lewis Rawlinson of: 18 South Terrace, Wolstanton
Probate Date:5 Nov 1963
Death Date:27 Aug 1963
Death Place:Staffordshire, England
Registry:London, England
Probate to: Millicent May Frost (wife of Horace Lionel Melville Frost) £3655 14s 4d
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Lynne From Up North !!
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26 Feb 2015 11:27 |
1911 census for reference:
Name:Lizzie Rawlinson Age in 1911:33 Estimated birth year:abt 1878 Relation to Head:Wife Gender:Female Birth Place:Wolstanton, Staffordshire Civil Parish:Wolstanton County/Island:Staffordshire Country:England Street address:13 Dimsdale Parade, Wolstanton, Staffs Marital Status:Married Registration district:Wolstanton Registration District Number:360 Sub-registration district:Wolstanton ED, institution, or vessel:5 Household schedule number:256 Piece:16443 Household Members: Name Age Lewis Rawlinson 31 Lizzie Rawlinson 33 Millicent May Rawlinson 2
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KathleenBell
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26 Feb 2015 12:01 |
Possible birth for Lizzie:-
First name(s) LIZZIE Last name BAGGALLEY Birth year 1880 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's last name - District STONE County Staffordshire Country England Volume 6B Page 43
and possible baptism:-
First name(s) Lizzie Last name Baggaley Baptism year 1880 Baptism date 29 Mar 1880 Baptism place Dresden, Resurrection Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) William Mother's first name(s) Eliza County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3641/1/2 Page 97 Register Type Baptisms Record set Staffordshire baptisms
Kath. x
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Lynne From Up North !!
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26 Feb 2015 15:43 |
If the Lizzie above is the correct Lizzie, then this looks like her during the 1881 census with her parents and siblings:
Name:Lizzie Baggelley Age:1 Estimated birth year:abt 1880 Relationship to Head:Daughter Father:William Baggelley Mother:Eliza Baggelley Gender:Female Where born:Longton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish:Stoke Upon Trent County/Island:Staffordshire Country:England Street address:1 Wharf St Education:Employment status: View image Registration district:Stoke Upon Trent Sub registration district:Longton ED, institution, or vessel:7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:2733 Folio:130 Page Number:2 Household Members: Name Age William Baggelley 34 Eliza Baggelley 38 Frances L. Baggelley 12 William Baggelley 10 Sarah A. Baggelley 8 Tom Baggelley 6 Lizzie Baggelley 1 Thomas Degg 67 Father in law to William - Hence Lizzie's grandfather Hannah Degg 58 Mother in law to William - Hence Lizzie's grandmother James Massey 20 Lodger
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Feb 2015 15:49 |
(could be!)
Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1880 BAGGALLEY Lizzie Trentham Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Mother Maiden Name) DEGG TRE/20/120
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868 DEGG Eliza BAGGELLEY William Dresden, Resurrection Stoke-On-Trent 7/01/014.
Chris :)
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MargaretM
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26 Feb 2015 15:53 |
My grandmother's name was Lizzie which I assumed was a nickname for Elizabeth. When I started doing family tree I was looking for Elizabeth but found no records until I found out that her actual name was Lizzie, she was born, married and died as Lizzie. She was never Elizabeth.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Feb 2015 16:20 |
If that 1881 census posted by Lynne is the correct Lizzie, here she is in 1891:
Lizzie Baggaley
in the 1891 England Census Name: Lizzie Baggaley Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Trentham Ecclesiastical parish: Dresden Town: Longton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stone ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2146 Folio: 7 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Mary E Baggaley 65 James R Mitcheson 27 - grandson(-in-law) Francis Mitcheson 22 - grand-daughter Elizabeth F Mitcheson 1 - gr-grand-daughter Ethel Mitcheson 6 Weeks - gr- grand-daughter Lizzie Baggaley 11 Tom Baggaley 15 - grandson Frederick Maskery 30 - lodger Arthur Landon 24 - lodger
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Keith
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27 Feb 2015 00:35 |
Many thanks to all of you. Special thanks for the link to the Staffordshire BMD. This stuff is too addictive. Thanks again.
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Keith
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27 Feb 2015 02:05 |
Here is another small problem you may be able to solve for me.
In the 1911 Census my grand father Horace Lionel Melville Frost c1907 and his sister Vera Elizabeth Frost c1901 appear. Their parents appear as Frederick Frost c1865 and Mary Frost c1865. From Horace and Vera's birth documents their mothers maiden name appears as Barnes. I am trying to find some more details for her, such as her forename and marriage details. Any help would be great.
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Feb 2015 04:14 |
for our reference .............. this is the 1911 Census
1911 Census
Name: Horace Lionel Melville Frost Age in 1911: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1907 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 165 Etruria Road, Hanley, Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire Registration district: Stoke upon Trent Registration District Number: 361 Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 234 Piece: 16527
Frederick Frost 46 b.ca 1865, Westwood, Nottinghamshire, shopkeeper Grocer & Provision Dealer Mary Frost 46 b.ca 1865, Riddings, Derbyshire Vera Elizabeth Frost 9 b.ca 1902, Hanley Horace Lionel Melville Frost 4
from image:-
Married 25 years, 3 children born, 1 died, 2 still alive
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Feb 2015 04:24 |
In 1891, they are living in Derbyshire ............... which may be an indication that that is where they married.
1891 Census
Name: Frederick Frost Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Frost Gender: Male Where born: Westwood, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Alfreton Ecclesiastical parish: Riddings Town: Riddings County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England
Registration district: Belper ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 2749 Folio: 80 Page Number: 31
Frederick Frost 27 Blacksmith Mary Frost 27 b.ca 1864, Gramhill Lane, Derbyshire <<< this looks more like Greenhill Lane on the image
Address:- Bullock Lane
1901 Census
Name: Frederick Frost Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Mary Frost Birth Place: Westwood, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Hanley Ecclesiastical parish: Etruria St Matthew County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent Sub-registration district: Shelton ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 2605 Folio: 143 Page Number: 18 Household schedule number: 85
Frederick Frost 36 Shopkeeper, Grocery Mary Frost 36 b.ca 1865, Riddings, Derbyshire
Address:- 165 Etruria Road
Frederick moved with his family to Derbyshire sometime between his birth in ca 1865 and the 1871 Census, when he and his parents are shown living in Alfreton, Derbyshire
This means he and Mary married in Derbyshire
1881 Census
Name: Fredrick Frost Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relationship to Head: Son Father: William Frost Mother: Emma Mary Frost Gender: Male Where born: Selstone, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Codnor Park County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: 8 Forge Row
Occupation: Smith Striker Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 3320 Folio: 138 Page Number: 32
William Frost 59 b.ca 1822, Selstone, Nottinghamshire, Engine Smith (E&M) Emma Mary Frost 46 b.ca 1835, Southwark, London, Middlesex Fredrick Frost 16 Aseneth Frost 12 Sarah Elizabeth Frost 6 Alfred George Masters 21 Boarder James Price 19 Boarder
Address:- 8 Forge Row
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Feb 2015 04:31 |
This looks as though it could be their marriage .................. Belper is the registration District which includes Alfreton ..........
Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
Barnes Mary Belper 7b 791 Frost Frederick Edlie Belper 7b 791
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Feb 2015 04:35 |
This looks as if it might be Mary in 1881
1881 Census
Name: Mary Barnes Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William Barnes Mother: Elizabeth Barnes Gender: Female Where born: Green Hill Lane, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Alfreton County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: George St
Occupation: Pupil Teacher National Registration district: Belper Sub registration district: Alfreton ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 3417 Folio: 113 Page Number: 35
William Barnes 47 b.ca 1834, Crich, Derbyshire, Colliery Labourer Elizabeth Barnes 49 b.ca 1832, Ratcliffe, Nottinghamshire William Barnes 16 b.ca 1865, Green Hill Lane, General Labourer out of employment Mary Barnes 17
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Keith
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27 Feb 2015 04:52 |
Thank you SylviaInCanada. Once again I am amazed at the people on this forum.
Cheers
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Feb 2015 04:58 |
Frederick's father must have married twice .............. this looks like Frederick with his parents in 1871, and his mother is called Martha
1871 Census
Name: Fred Frost Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Father's name: William Frost Mother's name: Martha Frost Gender: Male Where born: Selston, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Alfreton Ecclesiastical parish: Ironville Town: Ironville County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Belper Sub-registration district: Alfreton ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 47 Piece: 3593 Folio: 24 Page Number: 7
William Frost 49 b.ca 1822, Selston, Blacksmith Martha Frost 44 b.ca 1837, Selston, Peveril Frost 20 b.ca 1851, Selston Dora Frost 14 b.ca 1857, Sheffield, Yorkshire Reuben Frost 15 b.ca 1856, Sheffield Fred Frost 6 Asenath Frost 2 b.ca 1869, Ironville, Derbyshire
Address:- 26 Victoria Street
I think this might be Martha's death ...........
Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%)
Frost Martha 49 Basford 7b 64
and that this is William's marriage to Emma, his wife as shown in the 1881 Census
Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)
Frost William Belper 7b 660 TEW Emma Mary Belper 7b 660
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Feb 2015 05:01 |
Keith ............
you are very welcome
Someone else may be able to find Frederick and Mary's marriage in a Parish Record.
I can find no other record of him as Frederick Edlie Frost!
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