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CassieB
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20 Feb 2015 12:53 |
I recently obtained my grandparents marriage certificate for 1902. From that they were then living next door to each other (one at 44, the other at 46) in Liverpool but the actual street name I cannot decipher. Elizabeth Perry born April 1880 and John Unwin born 1877 in Liverpool. His father was Lewis born 1844. Siblings Josephine, Mary & Victoria might have still been at home in 1901. Her mother was Harriett but father deceased before 1901. A younger sibling of Elizabeth was Margaret born 1883, I'm hoping that the census info might help with an address. Thank you if you can help.
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Andrew
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20 Feb 2015 13:01 |
Address could be Sterne Street
John isn't at 46
Name:Elizabeth Perry Age:21 Estimated birth yearabt 1880 Relation to Head:Daughter Gender:Female Mother:Harriet Perry Birth Place:Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish:West Derby Ecclesiastical parish:Liverpool St Phillip County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district West Derby Sub-registration district:West Derby, Western ED, institution, or vessel:05 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:3487 Folio:115 Page Number:38 Household schedule number260 Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Perry 53 Alice A Perry 23 Elizabeth Perry 21 Margaret Perry 19 Edith Perry 16 John H Perry 12 George Perry 11
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Name:Elizabeth Perry Age:11 Estimated birth year:abt 1880 Relation:Daughter Father's name:Robert Perry Mother's name:Harriet Perry Gender:Female Where born:Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Everton Ecclesiastical parish:St Augustine Town:Liverpool County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:West Derby Sub registration district:South Everton ED, institution, or vessel:3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:2942 Folio:91 Page Number:47 Household Members: Name Age
Robert Perry 49 Harriet Perry 43 Harriet A Perry 22 Sarah A Perry 17 Thomas G Perry 16 Alice A Perry 14 Richard Perry 13 Elizabeth Perry 11 Margaret Perry 9 Edith Perry 6 John H Perry 2 George Perry 1
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Catherine
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20 Feb 2015 13:01 |
?? 1901 Name: John Unwin Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation to Head: Brother Gender: Male Birth Place: Liverpool Civil Parish: Kirkdale Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 224 Walton Road
Occupation:(looks like) Warehouseman
Condition as to marriage: Single
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Kirkdale ED, institution, or vessel: 08 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3466 Folio: 38 Page Number: 18 Household schedule number: 107 Household Members: Name Age Gee Page 35 Mary Page 31 Geo L Page 1/12 John Unwin 24
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Catherine
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20 Feb 2015 13:04 |
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Name: John T Unwin Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Son Father's name: Lewis Unwin Mother's name: Agnes Unwin Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:103 Everton Road
Occupation: (of father) Commercial Traveller
Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: South Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2942 Folio: 70 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Lewis Unwin 46 born Liverpool Agnes Unwin 46 born Scotland Lewis R Unwin 17 John T Unwin 14 Josephine Unwin 12 Mary E Unwin 11 Victoria L Unwin 10 Janet N Unwin 7 Agnes Unwin 3
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Catherine
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20 Feb 2015 13:10 |
Parents in 1901:-
Name: Lewis Annin Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Agnes Annin Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: Walton on the Hill St Margaret County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 105 Saxton Street
Occupation: Commercial Traveller (Paper)
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3498 Folio: 148 Page Number: 15 Household schedule number: 84 Household Members: Name Age Lewis Annin 56 Agnes Annin 56 Josephine M Annin 22 Victoria L Annin 20 Janet N Annin 17 Agnes J Annin 13
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Jacqueline
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20 Feb 2015 13:10 |
The groom could have used the address as a convenience, to avoid paying for two lots of Banns
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safc
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20 Feb 2015 13:12 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 44, Sterne Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Harriet Perry Head Widow Female 53 1848 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Alice A Perry Daughter Single Female 25 1876 Cafe Waitress Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Perry Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Printers Stamper Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Margaret Perry Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Kitchen Maid Cafe Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Edith Perry Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Printers Label Stamper Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription John H Perry Son Single Male 12 1889 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription George Perry Son Single Male 11 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Catherine
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20 Feb 2015 13:22 |
Living at 46 are William and Harriet King:-
Name: Harriet An King Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: William G King Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Phillip County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street address: 46 Sterne Street
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3487 Folio: 115 Page Number: 38 Household schedule number: 262 Household Members: Name Age William G King 35 Harriet An King 32 Harriet King 7 Robert King 5 Lillian M King 4 William G King 2 Albert S King 8/12 .................................................
Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%) Boyd Thomas Toxteth Park 8b 400 De Buche Amelia Toxteth Park 8b 400 xxxx KING William George Toxteth Park 8b 400 xxxx PERRY Harriett Amelia Toxteth Park 8b 400
.............Harriett Amelia would seem to be the sister of Elizabeth.
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CassieB
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20 Feb 2015 13:25 |
Hi Andrew. That's my Elizabeth. Is the street name show please? Hi Catherine, John had a sister Mary Ellen but I'd believed she was born about 1879 in Ireland and married a Harry Page so not sure this fits..
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safc
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20 Feb 2015 13:31 |
England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription Attach to tree First name(s) Harriett Amelia Last name Perry Name note - Age 24 Marriage year 1892 Marriage date 04 Sep 1892 Marriage place St. Clement'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father's first name(s) Robert Father's last name Perry Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Spouse's first name(s) William George Spouse's last name King Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name King Spouse's mother's first name(s) - Spouse's mother's last name - Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England Place Liverpool County Lancashire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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CassieB
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20 Feb 2015 13:32 |
Sorry but lunch arrived before I saw all the responses! This info is great and Sterne St fits. The Kings are my relatives and I knew some of the info shown. I didn't have the occupations show for Elizabeth's family so very interesting. Thanks to you all for your help.
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Catherine
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20 Feb 2015 13:38 |
Just in case you don't have it:-
Name: John Lewis Unwin Birth Date: 27 May Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1902 Parish: Everton, St Saviour Father's name: John Thomas Unwin (Warehouseman) Mother's name: Elizabeth Unwin Reference Number: 283 SVR/2/4
Address: 4 Letterstone Street - (looks like)
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Catherine
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20 Feb 2015 13:51 |
Cassie, before you dismiss my 1901 census take another look and you will see that Mary Page was born in Belfast:-
Name: Mary Page Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Gee Page
Birth Place: Belfast
Civil Parish: Kirkdale Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Kirkdale ED, institution, or vessel: 08 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3466 Folio: 38 Page Number: 18 Household schedule number: 107 Household Members: Name Age Gee Page 35 Mary Page 31 Geo L Page 1/12 John Unwin 24
Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%) Page George W. Derby 8b 674 Unwin Mary W. Derby 8b 674
..........also John Unwin has same occupation as your John Unwin so worth at least considering again.
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CassieB
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20 Feb 2015 13:55 |
I think you could be right about an address of convenience Jacqueline! Catherine - Annin must be Unwin as everything else fits.
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CassieB
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20 Feb 2015 14:00 |
Catherine - looks like a date had been wrongly entered elsewhere so thank you for spotting this.
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mgnv
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21 Feb 2015 10:38 |
For future reference, for occupations, use:
http://www.ukcensusonline.com/ e.g., 1891 Forename Surname Age Occupation County Estimated Year of Birth Place of Birth Lewis Unwin 46 Commercial Traveller Lancashire 1845 Liverpool, Lancashire View more details Lewis R Unwin 17 General Merchant's Clerk Lancashire 1874 Liverpool, Lancashire View more details
for 1901, use http://www.1901censusonline.com/ View Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation view census image Elizabeth Perry 21 Liverpool Lancs Lancashire West Derby Printers Stamper ...
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CassieB
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21 Feb 2015 15:07 |
Thank you mgnv
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