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WILLIAM ELLIOTT 1790 & WILLIAM ELLIOTT 1817

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Mark

Mark Report 16 Feb 2015 13:11

I would be very gratefull for any assistance in locating the birth place of William Elliott born 1817 in "Devonshire" as detailed on census records, and and further details of his father, William Elliott born c 1790 again in Devon.
I have been unable to link them to other tree's detailing Bicton, Colton Raleigh, Plymouth or any other places detaild on trees I have access to.
Searches of the Birth and marraige Registers have only detailed the locations detailed above.
William c1817 married Anne S Collet c1817 who is detailed from Uxbridge on census records. The children of William c17 were - William c1837, Ann c1838, Charles c1841, Henry c1843, Emma S c1845, Lucy c1847, Cordelia/ Caroline c1850, George c1853, Alice c1854, Frederick c1856, Alfred c1858, Alice c1860 and Robert c1864.
My records also indicate that William c1817 also had at least one sibling being a sister Cordelia c?.
William c1817 and family moved to South and East london and then on to Chatham Kent, before moving back to the Bermondsey area of south London which was then in Surrey.
Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated.
Mark Elliott 1959



safc

safc Report 16 Feb 2015 13:24


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hare Walk, Saint Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Elliott Head Married Male 38 1813 Cooper Middlesex, England
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Ann Elliott Wife Married Female 33 1818 - Brentford, Middlesex, England
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William Elliott Son - Male 14 1837 Errand Boy Middlesex, England
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Ann Elliott Daughter - Female 13 1838 At Home Middlesex, England
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Charles Elliott Son - Male 10 1841 At Home Hoxton, Middlesex, England
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Henry Elliott Son - Male 7 1844 At Home Hoxton, Middlesex, England
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Emma Elliott Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Hoxton, Middlesex, England
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Lucy Elliott Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
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Cordelia Elliott Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Feb 2015 13:26

Welcome to the boards Mark. For our reference - I guess this is your family. It would have been really useful to show a census where you had found the family. The info you gave may have given names and places they lived but not years when they corresponded!

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Russell Place, Chatham, Medway, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Elliott Head Married Male 44 1817 Cooper Devon, England
Ann Elliott Wife Married Female 44 1817 - Uxbridge, Middlesex, England
Charles Elliott Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 - London, Middlesex, England
Henry Elliott Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 - London, Middlesex, England
Emma S Elliott Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - London, Middlesex, England
Lucy Elliott Daughter - Female 14 1847 - London, Middlesex, England
Cordelia Elliott Daughter - Female 11 1850 - London, Middlesex, England
George Elliott Son - Male 9 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
Frederick Elliott Son - Male 5 1856 - Chatham, Kent, England
Alfred Elliott Son - Male 3 1858 - Chatham, Kent, England
Alice Elliott Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Chatham, Kent, England

Parliamentary borough Chatham
Ecclesiastical district Christchurch
Registration district Medway
Enumeration district -
Piece number 483
Folio number 21
Page number 37

safc

safc Report 16 Feb 2015 13:27


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Russell Place, Chatham, Medway, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Elliott Head Married Male 44 1817 Cooper Devon, England
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Ann Elliott Wife Married Female 44 1817 - Uxbridge, Middlesex, England
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Charles Elliott Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 - London, Middlesex, England
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Henry Elliott Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 - London, Middlesex, England
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Emma S Elliott Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - London, Middlesex, England
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Lucy Elliott Daughter - Female 14 1847 - London, Middlesex, England
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Cordelia Elliott Daughter - Female 11 1850 - London, Middlesex, England
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George Elliott Son - Male 9 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
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Frederick Elliott Son - Male 5 1856 - Chatham, Kent, England
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Alfred Elliott Son - Male 3 1858 - Chatham, Kent, England
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Alice Elliott Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Chatham, Kent, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Feb 2015 13:35

The 1841 puts William as aged 20 b 1821, this could be aged 20-24 b 1817-1821. Neither William or Ann are said to be born in County.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Turner Square, St Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Stephen Hagger Male 70 1771 Scotland Transcription
William Elliott Male 20 1821 - Transcription
Ann Elliott Female 20 1821 - Transcription
William Elliott Male 4 1837 Middlesex, England Transcription
Ann Elliott Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England Transcription
Charles Elliott Male 0 1841 Middlesex, England Transcription
Mary Manning Female 23 1818 Middlesex, England Transcription
Mary Manning Female 19 1822 Middlesex, England Transcription
Mary Manning Female 28 1813 Middlesex, England Transcription
Ann Manning Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England Transcription

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Feb 2015 13:43

I wonder if this could be the marriage. Could be Collett on the original. Both of the parish, batchelor and spinster, both signed. Marriage was by License in the presence of William Anderson and Alfred Wilson. It is linked on Ancestry with the census found

Name: William Elliott
Spouse: Ann Callett
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Oct 1836
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Feb 2015 13:51

None of the Ancestry trees show where William was born other than Devonshire (well, tell a lie, a couple have him b St George in the East, Middx!)

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Feb 2015 14:07

How are you linking William c 1817 to a father called William c 1790?

Mark

Mark Report 16 Feb 2015 14:58

greygohst and safc,

Thanks for your responses.

Greyghost, my information was from the same cencus records you have listed, but thanks for the confirmations. I agree it would have assisted if i listed them in my request.
My information was collated 5 or 6 years ago, but i believe the link to a father called William c 1790 was from a tree i was given access too after a Hot Match. I am at work without access to all my records so I am unable to confirm more at the moment.

My problem is getting more info prior to William c1817.
Thanks for all your kind help and research.

Mark

Mark

Mark Report 16 Feb 2015 15:00

Census...!

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 16 Feb 2015 19:46

Just a possibility:

Name: William Elliot
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 21 Jan 1816
Christening Place: HARTLAND,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Elliot
Mother's Name: Ann


Presumably the child died and parents re-used the name:

Name: William Elliot
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Nov 1818
Christening Place: HARTLAND,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Elliot
Mother's Name: Ann

Mark

Mark Report 16 Feb 2015 20:45

BeverleyW

Thanks for your input. I shall add it to the possibilities.

Mark

Mark

Mark Report 19 Feb 2015 13:32

Further to the above, I am also experiencing difficulty in confirming the wife and descendants of William Elliott's (c1817) son - HENRY Elliott born 1843 / 44 at Hoxton Middlesex / London. He is detailed on the 1851 census as aged 7 and at home, and, as 18 and unmarried on the 1861 census.

From other trees made available to me i have narrowed it down to the following :-

Married (date unknown), to Emma born c 1845 - children Emma J 1868, Herbert 1870, Martha 1872, Joseph 1876, Horace 1879 and Ernest ?. These details are from the 1881 census. In addition a shared tree also details an Arthur c1885 and ??Love c? as well as those previously listed. The shared tree also details the correct ancestors of and siblings of Henry in line with my existing tree.

The other possibility is -
Marriage (date unknown), Wife Emily c1843 and children , Henry c 1866, Emily c 1869, Thomas c 1870, Florence c1876, Martha c 1879 Ada c 1882 and James c1885. This tree also shows the correct ancestors of and siblings of Henry in line with my existing tree. It also states Henry's occupation as a Cooper, which is in line with other relatives I have confirmed.

I have tried searching later censuses and various birth and death registrations but have had no luck.
Any assistance in confirming the correct wife and children of Henry c1843 Hoxton Middlesex / London, son of William c1817 and Anne S Collett c1817 would be gratefully appreciated.

MARK ELLIOTT 1959 ( GG Grandnephew of Henry 1843)
:-(

malyon

malyon Report 19 Feb 2015 14:38

hi
could john have immagrated

John Elliott
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List Index Cards
Name: John Elliott
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1887
Event Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Birthplace: England
Ship Name: British King
Birth Year (Estimated): 1843

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Feb 2015 22:42

Connected to - http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1349687
where Mark has started a new thread re the question he has asked about Henry Elliott

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Feb 2015 07:39

(below relating, perhaps)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Luton
Church Christ Church
RegisterNumber 147
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 27 Mar 1859
Forename Frederick James
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname ELLIOTT
MotherSurname
Abode Luton
FatherOccupation Cooper


Baptism
County Kent
Place Luton
Church Christ Church
RegisterNumber 139
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 10 Dec 1858
Forename Alfred Thomas
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname ELLIOTT
MotherSurname
Abode Luton
FatherOccupation Cooper


Baptism
County Kent
Place Luton
Church Christ Church
RegisterNumber 198
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 12 Aug 1860
Forename Alice Maude
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname ELLIOTT
MotherSurname
Abode Luton
FatherOccupation Cooper


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above free link)


Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Elliott Alfred Thomas Medway 2a 311


Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
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ELLIOTT Alice Maud Medway 2a 339


London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name ELLIOTT
Birth date 28/03/1837
Baptism date 30 Apr 1837
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's occupation Cooper
Address Batty Street
Parish St George In The East, Stepney
Church address Cannon Street Road
CountyLondon



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Henry Elliott
Baptism Date: 19 Nov 1852 (Born 5 March 1843)
Father's name: William Elliott (Cooper)
Mother's name: Ann Elliott
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
(Abode, Lower John Street)

(also same time, Emma Born 13 March 1845, Lucy Born 23 Feb 1847)


Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
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ELLIOTT Henry Shoreditch 2 389

Chris :)

Mark

Mark Report 20 Feb 2015 11:20

Many thanks for the above responses.

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 23 Feb 2015 15:19

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1349773

Mark

Please don't post multiple requests about the same thing