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good morning everyone
John was born 1860 in Whetstone, Leicestershire, he married Lisette Tredgold 1883 in London. Lisette was born 1861 Smannell, Hampshire
I could find no trace of them after 1883. As luck would have it I found these two baptisms
from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Register
Name:
Louise May Root
Event Type:
Baptism Event Date: 09 Dec 1894
Event Place:
Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Parent Name:
John Thomas Root
Parent 2 Name:
Lisette Root
Page:
119 Entry Number: 503
Digital Folder Number: 005029471 , Image Number: 00065

and a baptism for Marguerite Agnes Root on the same day.

Can anyone help to find them. I know South African research is very difficult

thank you in advance
Maddie

Maddie, this is the marriage I assume? transcribed as Port but must be Root

Name: Lisette Tredgold
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Age: 22
Spouse: John Thomas Port ( bricklayer)
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Sep 1883
Parish: Hornsey Rise
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Tredgold
Spouse Father: Thomas Port
Register Type: Parish Register

Baptism of a daughter

Name: Mabel Root
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Feb 1886
Father's name: John Thomas Root (Bricklayer)
Mother's name: Lisette Root
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Matthias, Caledonian Road
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Root or Tredgold, Lisette


Last Name: Root (nee Tredgold)
First Name: Lisette
Date of Birth: 1860
Place of Birth: Hampshire, England
Parents – Father: Thomas Tredgold
Parents – Mother:
Name of Spouse: John Thomas Root
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Date of Death: 28 Dec 1898 age 38
Place of Death: Woodstock, Cape

Notes: DN 63/1898. Children:

Mabel Root 13

Elsie Emily 8

Louise May 6

Marguerite Agnes 4

http://www.southafricansettlers.com/?cat=30&paged=7

thank you
never knew about Mabel or Elsie. Looks like Elsie born SA , although I can find no shipping lists of them leaving

Maddie

If they left before 1890, there won't be any online info

Are they on 1891 UK census?

Name: Elsie Emily Root
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 417

I can't see them in 1891, nor does there appear to be a London baptism for Elsie, so I would guess at them leaving 1890 early 91?

Me neither, guess you are right, thanks very much

edit - just had a HOT MATCH on Ancestry the tree has a spouse for Emily as Richard Paine 1890 - 1967 - died SA

just found this travelling with 2 girls But no JT

Name: Mrs Root ( says and family)
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 27 Sep 1890
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Algoa Bay, South Africa
Ship Name: Dane
Search Ship Database: Search for the Dane in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: F P Symons

WHAT DO YOU THINK ?
Maddie

A few things concerning the Roots on the site. They may be of interest.

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl?20150214210525B5B3CF63

I clicked on the RSA database and put Root as my search word. There are a lot of records that do not concern them but you can click through these quickly.


DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/21660
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 5692/53
PART 1
DESCRIPTION SCOTT, MABEL. BORN ROOT. ESTATE PAPERS.
STARTING 19530000
ENDING 19530000


DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/384
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 63
PART 1
DESCRIPTION ROOT, LISETTE. NEE TREDGOLD. DEATH NOTICE.
STARTING 18990000
ENDING 18990000


DEPOT KAB
SOURCE DOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 4/1/327
SYSTEM 02
REFERENCE 3256
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MORTGAGE BOND. JOHN THOMAS ROOT.
STARTING 18920000
ENDING 18920000


DEPOT KAB
SOURCE CSC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 13/2/17
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE LS45/1917
PART 1
DESCRIPTION LAND SALE. THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE TIME BEING OF THE CAPE
GOOD HOPE SAVINGS BANK SOCIETY VERSUS JOHN THOMAS ROOT.
STARTING 19170000
ENDING 19170000



DEPOT NAB
SOURCE MSCE
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 3623/1967
PART 1
DESCRIPTION PAINE, RICHARD. BORN IN ENGLAND. S SP PAINE, ELSIE EMILY. BORN ROOT.
PRSP PAINE, FLORENCE. DIED 1917. KOKSTAD. NO TRACE. DECEASED ESTATE.
STARTING 19670000
ENDING 19680000

From https://familysearch.org


Name: William Adam
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1916
Event Place: Durban, Natal, South Africa
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Louise May Root
Spouse's Gender: Female

The emigration record certainly seems feasible.

Perhaps the husband travelled ahead? It often happened

thanks Alviegal and Jaqqueline
will have a look at that site to see if I can make sense of it

maddie