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13 Feb 2015 11:21 |
My maternal grandfather married Emmie Maud Bowers in Liverpool.
He was a merchant seaman and I believe he was born in Dundee in 1876. He died in Liverpool in 1950.
I know nothing about his ancestors.
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Jacqueline
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13 Feb 2015 11:28 |
It would be a good idea to buy a copy of the marriage cert to find out if he knew his father. HIs name is probably too common to be able to identify him without additional info
The event was registered in Birkenhead
Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
Bowers Emmie Maude Birkenhead 8a 838 Wilson Alfred Birkenhead 8a 838
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13 Feb 2015 11:32 |
Thank you Jacqueline for this information
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13 Feb 2015 11:37 |
Name: Alfred Wilson Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 15 Dec 1904 Event Place: Holy Trinity, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Gender: Male Age (Formatted): 30y Birth Date: Marital Status: Single Father's Name: John Wilson Mother's Name: Spouse's Name: Emmie Maude Bowers Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Father's Name: Walker Bowers Spouse's Mother's Name: GS Film number: 2104039 Digital Folder Number: 004018951 Image Number: 00638
Citing this Record: "England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F3XN-L46 : accessed 13 February 2015), Alfred Wilson and Emmie Maude Bowers, 15 Dec 1904, Marriage; citing item 3 p 120, Holy Trinity, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester; FHL microfilm 2,104,039.
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Jacqueline
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13 Feb 2015 11:41 |
When and where was the first child of his marriage born?
What was the name?
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greyghost
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13 Feb 2015 11:41 |
Scotland's People a buy credits website does show on a free search that there was an Alfred Wilson born in the Dundee City RD in 1876.
This could be him in 1881
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 426, Rutherglen Road, Govan, Hutchesontown, Lanarkshire, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Wilson Head Married Male 41 1840 Tailor & Clothier Shopman Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Jane Wilson Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Transcription John Wilson Son Unmarried Male 18 1863 Pastry Baker Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland William Hossack Wilson Son Unmarried Male 13 1868 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Alexander Wilson Son Unmarried Male 11 1870 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Hossack Wilson Son - Male 7 1874 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Transcription Alfred Wilson Son - Male 5 1876 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Daniel McMaster Head Widower Male 46 1835 Provision (Traveller) Kincardineshire, Scotland Mary Ferguson McMaster Mother Widow Female 66 1815 House Keeper Kincardineshire, Scotland Daniel McMaster Son Unmarried Male 17 1864 Chemical (Student) -
The marriage certificate as suggested by Jacqueline should hopefully confirm his father's name and occupation. I have the above census from FMP but it is only the transcription.
Scotland's People is a well priced credit system website £7 for 30 credits. 5 credits will allow you to see and download birth/marriage/death certificates - all have more info on them than English ones - without certain privacy restrictions i.e. over 100 years ago for births, 75 marriages, 50 deaths. 5 credits will also allow you to see originals of the census and the 1911 Scottish census.
EDIT - I see the Cheshire index names father as John but doesn't give occupation
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13 Feb 2015 11:42 |
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Name: Emma M Bowers Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Civil Parish: Widnes Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul Sub-District: Farnworth Registration District: Prescot Residence County: Lancashire Gender: Female Age: 22 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Runcorn, Cheshire Record Type: Household
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13 Feb 2015 11:43 |
Name: Alfred Wilson Gender: Male Birth Date: 08 Mar 1874 Birthplace: DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND Father's Name: Robert Wilson Mother's Name: Isabella Mackie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11282-3 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
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13 Feb 2015 11:47 |
Same family 1891 (if correct). Looks like father John has remarried
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hospital Street, Govan, Gorbals, Lanarkshire, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Wilson Head Married Male 50 1841 Clothiers Salesman Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Marion Wilson Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland Hossack Wilson Son Unmarried Male 17 1874 Printers Apprentice Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Alfred Wilson Son - Male 15 1876 Printers Apprentice Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Thomas Wilson Son - Male 0 1891 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Ann Cassells Sister-In-Law Unmarried Female 22 1869 Tailors Machinist Blantyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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13 Feb 2015 11:50 |
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription James Street, Widnes, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Walter Bowers Head Married Male 43 1848 Blacksmith Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Margaret Bowers Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Frodsham, Cheshire, England Transcription William H Bowers Son Single Male 18 1873 Engine Fitter Apprentice - Transcription Annie Bowers Daughter - Female 13 1878 Dressmaker Apprentice Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Emma M Bowers Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Reginald Bowers Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Blanche Bowers Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription May Bowers Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Widnes, Lancashire, England
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13 Feb 2015 12:01 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 91 Lindley Street Liverpool, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Alfred Wilson Head Married Male 35 1876 Dundee Resident Hairdresser Transcription Maude Wilson Wife Married Female 32 1879 Cheshire Runcorn - Transcription Margery Wilson Daughter - Female 6 1905 Cheshire Birkenhand - Transcription Rina Wilson Daughter - Female 2 1909 Lancashire Liverpool - Transcription Maude Wilson Daughter - Female 1 1910 Lancashire Liverpool - Transcription Margaret Bowers Boarder Married Female 60 1851 Cheshire Frodshum - Transcription May Bowers Boarder Single Female 23 1888 Lancashire Widnes Shop Assistant Transcription Bertie Bowers Boarder - Male 12 1899 Lancashire Hidnes - Transcription
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13 Feb 2015 12:02 |
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1905 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference WILSON Margery Birkenhead Wirral BOWERS BIR/226/66
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13 Feb 2015 12:06 |
?? occupation would fit with the 1911 found by safc
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 649, Dumbarton Road, Govan, Partick, Lanarkshire, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alexander M Davie Head Married Male 37 1864 Tram Car Conductor Kirriemuir, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Charlotte Davie Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Carnoustie, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Alexander M Davie Son Single Male 7 1894 Scholar Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Janet M Davie Daughter Single Female 9 1892 Scholar Kirriemuir, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Alfred Wilson Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Hair Dresser Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland William Stewart Boarder Single Male 21 1880 Baker Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
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13 Feb 2015 12:12 |
Name: William Hossack Wilson Gender: Male Christening Date: Christening Place: Birth Date: 03 Apr 1868 Birthplace: DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Wilson Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Jane Mitchelson Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11282-3 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
Citing this Record: "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYT6-Y4W : accessed 13 February 2015), William Hossack Wilson, 03 Apr 1868; citing DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 6,035,516.
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13 Feb 2015 12:13 |
Name: John Wilson Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Jane Mitchelson Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 04 Sep 1866 Event Place: Dundee,Angus,Scotland Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11282-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
Citing this Record: "Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTVC-VQV : accessed 13 February 2015), John Wilson and Jane Mitchelson, 04 Sep 1866; citing Dundee,Angus,Scotland, reference ; FHL microfilm 6,035,516.
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13 Feb 2015 12:18 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 22, South Lindsay Street, Dundee, St Mary's, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Learn more Print transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Wilson Head Married Male 32 1839 Draper Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Transcription - Wilson Wife Married Female 26 1845 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Transcription John Wilson Son - Male 8 1863 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Transcription William H Wilson Son - Male 2 1869 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Transcription Alexander M Wilson Son - Male 1 1870 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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13 Feb 2015 12:34 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Perrey Street, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Walter Bowers Head Married Male 33 1848 Blacksmith Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Margaret Bowers Wife Married Female 30 1851 Wife Of Blacksmith Frodsham, Cheshire, England Transcription William H Bowers Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar United States Transcription Thomas Bowers Son Single Male 4 1877 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Annie Bowers Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Eunice M Bowers Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England Transcription Walter J Bowers Son Single Male 0 1881 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
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13 Feb 2015 12:40 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20, Church Street, Widnes, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William H Bowers Head Married Male 28 1873 Hairdresser United States Transcription Louisa Bowers Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Huyton, Lancashire, England Transcription Edith Bowers Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Widnes, Lancashire, England Transcription Jane Porter Mother-In-Law Widow Female 50 1851 - Shropshire, England Transcription James Hunt Boarder Single Male 46 1855 General Laborer Shropshire, England Transcription Fred Connor Boarder Single Male 22 1879 General Laborer Woolton, Lancashire, England
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13 Feb 2015 12:42 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20 Church St Widnes, Widnes, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William H Bowers Head Married Male 38 1873 U S of America Hairedresser Transcription Louisa Bowers Wife Married Female 35 1876 Speke Lancs - Transcription Edith Bowers Daughter - Female 11 1900 Widnes Lancs - Transcription Alfred Bowers Son - Male 9 1902 Widnes Lancs - Transcription Elsie Bowers Daughter - Female 7 1904 Widnes Lancs - Transcription Reginald Bowers Son - Male 0 1911 Widnes Lancs -
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14 Feb 2015 12:06 |
A great deal of interesting information here.
Certainly worth following up.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed.
Regards
Norman
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