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KevinL
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1 Feb 2015 05:52 |
I have been researching our McKenna family, they originate from Ireland but I have had difficulty finding details. My Great Grandparents were William McKenna and Ellen Duffy. William was born approx. 1835 near Ballybay Ireland. Ellen Duffy was Born approx. 1837 William married Ellen Duffy in 1862 (Tullycorbet) Then went to Edinburgh (Scotland) and emigrated to South Australia in 1865 with daughters Catherine and Mary Any help on William and Ellen would be appreciated. I have discovered a cousin in Adelaide who has parts of the family tree in Ancestry. Some of the family may (brother Bernard) appears to have emigrated to the US.
I have also searched the GR trees, awaiting any matches. Kevin
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Gee
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1 Feb 2015 08:21 |
Hi Kevin
Can you be more specific about what you would like to find in respect of Ellen and William please?
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BeverleyW
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1 Feb 2015 09:03 |
Mary was born in Edinburgh
Name: Mary Mc Kenna Gender: Female Birth Date: 08 May 1865 Birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND Father's Name: William Mc Kenna Mother's Name: Helen Duffy
but I can't see Catherine's birth.
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1 Feb 2015 09:42 |
Name:Catherine Theresa Mckenna
Father's name:William Mckenna
Spouse Name:Andrew Peterson
Spouse's Father's Name:Peter Peterson
Marriage Date:01 Sep 1887
Marriage Place:Port Adelaide
Registration Place:Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number:767
Volume Number:152
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Name:Catherine Theresa Petersen
Death Date:01 Sep 1940
Death Place:South Australia
Registration Year:1936-1940
Registration Place:South Australia
Page Number:3968
Volume Number:627
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1 Feb 2015 09:44 |
Name:Catherine M'Kenna
Date of Registration:1864
Registration district:Monaghan
Volume:18
Page:276
FHL Film Number:101041
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KevinL
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1 Feb 2015 09:44 |
Sorry We have details of the family since they left Ireland but there is little or no details of their family in Ireland. I was just hoping to find some details of his parents and Willim/Ellen
William McKenna: Born approx. 1935 BallyBay (possibly Drumgore, Co. Monaghan, Ireland)
Ellen Duffy: Born Approx. 1840 Co. Fermanagh, Ireland
Married: 27 May 1862 at Ballybay, Tullycorbet, Co. Monaghan, Ireland witnesses: Thomas Smith and Catherine McArdle
On an Ancestry , there is a tree with William McKenna (1805-1870) and Mary McKenna (1806-1875) as parents of William McKenna (+ Bernard and Thomas), but it is incomplete and had no responses. I was just looking for some detail on earlier generation of William and Mary and actual details for William and Ellen McKenna.
Ellen's name seems so be listed as Helen on some documents, probably the cursive writing. I could decipher it on Mary's birth certificate. Any additional details would be good, or where to research it further myself. Kevin
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BeverleyW
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1 Feb 2015 10:11 |
Are you sure that Ellen was born in Fermanagh? I can't see any baptism records for a birth between 1836-1840 for her, though there are two in Monaghan (1838, possibly both the same person - a twin). Sorry I don't have credits/sub for rootsireland.ie to look further.
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Gee
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1 Feb 2015 10:18 |
Does it not give his father's name on his marriage?
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KevinL
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1 Feb 2015 11:03 |
Some of the details are from a Research group in Ireland and their search was not conclusive. I don't have the marriage certificate, but am requesting details from my family contact. I am not sure as to where Ellen was from. Kevin
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Gee
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1 Feb 2015 11:52 |
Name:William Mckenna
Birth Year:abt 1836
Age:75
Death Date:23 Apr 1911
Death Place:Rosewater
Residence Place:Rosewater
Registration Place:Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number:271
Volume Number:356
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Name:Ellen Mckenna
Birth Year:abt 1840
Age:74
Death Date:03 Oct 1914
Death Place:Rosewater
Residence Place:Rosewater
Father's name:William Mckenna
Registration Place:Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number:360
Volume Number:387
Not totally sure what is on the Oz death certificates but I 'think' it lists parents names?
I'm sure someone on here can confirm what details should be shown
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Gee
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1 Feb 2015 11:54 |
No idea if this is 'ellen'
Name:Ellen Duffy
Parish:Lobinstown
Diocese:Meath
County:Meath
Baptism Date:10 Apr 1844
Father's name:William Duffy <<<<<<<<<<<<as on her death reg
Mother's name:Eliza Prendergast
Sponsor Witness 1: Hugh Cooney
Sponsor Witness 2: Judith Carry
Added: There are a few siblings for this Ellen, if you are interested just shout
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BeverleyW
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1 Feb 2015 12:16 |
From Trove (Adelaide chronicle, 17th October 1914)
McKENNA On the 3rd of October at Junction Road, Rosewater, Ellen, widow of William McKenna, in her 74th year. Sincerely mourned.
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BeverleyW
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1 Feb 2015 12:19 |
Adelaide Advertiser, 29th April 1911
McKENNA.-On the. 23rd April, at his residence, Grand Junctión-road, Rosewater, William, beloved husband of Ellen McKenna, aged 75 years.
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BeverleyW
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1 Feb 2015 12:21 |
You probably know about more children in S.A.?
Marriages, Adelaide Advertiser, 1 July 1911
McCANN-McKENNA.-On the 7th December, 1910, by the Rev. Father Brady, at St. Joseph's Church, Albany. John McCann, to H. V. (Nellie), youngest daughter of the late William McKenna,
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rootgatherer
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1 Feb 2015 12:42 |
Presumably the date and place of William and Ellen's marriage came from Mary's birth registration. There was no requirement, as far as I am aware, to produce evidence of the marriage. The other thing to remember is that there was no statutory requirement to register Catholic marriages in Ireland until 1865.
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Sorry that should be 1864.
Registration of non-Roman Catholic marriages began in Ireland in 1845, but the full registration system only came into operation in 1864, when all births, marriages and deaths began to be registered.
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2 Feb 2015 16:48 |
Kevin...You can get further details of this from www. findagrave.com.
Birth: 1830 County Monaghan, Ireland Death: 1891 Pawtucket Providence County Rhode Island, USA
Son of William McKenna and Mary McKenna Husband of Mary Duffy McKenna Father of Ellen (Nell) McKenna Martin, Mary Ann (Mamie) McKenna Lennon, Catherine T McKenna Gately, Hugh F (Huey) McKenna, Patrick McKenna, and Bernard McKenna Emigrated from Ballybay, County Monahan, Ireland to Pawtucket, RI Employee of the Dunnell Print Works, Pawtucket, RI Family links: Spouse: Mary Duffy McKenna (1837 - 1897)* Children: Mary Ann McKenna Lennon (1863 - 1950)* Catherine T McKenna Gately (1866 - 1934)* Hugh F McKenna (1868 - 1958)* The above burials are in Mount Saint Mary's Cemetery.
It looks as if they could be the Bernard McKenna's family who was probably brother to "your" William
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2 Feb 2015 16:52 |
Kevin. .I have no idea why my post 2/02/ @1648 has been listed above yours date 02/02/ 21.05...I wonder if the GR date and time clock has developed a problem ..again...!!
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KevinL
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2 Feb 2015 21:05 |
I just received a marriage certificate from a cousin. It does not provide parents names, just 2 witnesses.
Notes from Heather As you can see from the marriage record, neither sets of parents’ names were given. It was lucky that they were the 1st marriage in the Catholic register. They were married on May 27, 1862 in Ballybay, Co. Monaghan. On William’s death certificate, his place of birth is given as Co. Monaghan, townland not known. Who gave that information, I don’t know. His wife was still alive at the time. Whether she was overcome with grief, couldn’t remember or simply didn’t know, who knows. When Ellen died, her place of birth was given as Co. Fermanagh. Both Kate and Mary were alive and at least one of them must have given that information. To make things more complicated, when I first began this research, Uncle Ivor told me they came from Co. Armagh!
Andy, who may be our cousin in the US, thinks Bernard was possibly born in Drumgore, Co. Monaghan. There’s also a Dromore in Monaghan. The Bernard McKenna who married Mary Duffy as discussed in the Ulster Foundation’s research, is Andy’s ancestor. They emigrated to the US. According to Ulster, Bernard may have been a brother of Wm’s or at least a cousin.
I contacted the parish priest in Ballybay some years ago and he put me onto a local historian. He said there were no other records. It looks like Wm McK probably was an agricultural labourer for Wm Rutherford and maybe Ellen worked as a servant there too. Both were residents of Caddah at the time of their marriage. McKenna is a common name in Co. Monaghan apparently and Duffy is even more common. There was a Hugh McKenna around at the same time who the historian thought might have been another brother, but I haven’t found what happened to him. Whether our Wm was born in another part of the county and moved to Caddah near Ballybay or whether he was a local, I don’t know. Many Irish were tenant farmers and when the father died, either the land passed to the eldest son or was split among the sons. Each piece of land could be quite small and maybe that’s the reason Wm and Bernard decided to emigrate.
Even if I don't find anymore information, thank everybody for the assistance. It all helps Kevin
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