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Hi,
I am after a favour please.
I have been 'growing' my tree on here for several years now and am now tidying up loose ends. I have been gathering all documents to back up my findings and have come upon a small problem. On this website and find my past I have discovered the 1871 census for the following family member, but am only a standard member, therefore can not access the info I need to print. I am presently a full member on anc.co.uk but for some reason these census details are not on there, unless I am being incredibly stupid as have looked for hours. . I am hoping someone will read this with full access on genes and be able to email me a copy of the said census. I realise I could get some pay for view credits, but not sure how much that will show me.
The details are Richard W Daniell b1847, Mary Daniell b1848, Mary Daniell b1870 all living in Shoreditch on 1871 census. I have them on all other census' but not this one. Those are the only details I have needed to put in to find them on Genes and FMP.
Thank you

Richard W Daniell
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: Richard W Daniell
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: St Brides, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-District: Hoxton New Town
Parish: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Richard W Daniell Self M 24 St Brides, Middlesex
Mary Daniell Wife F 22 Cape Good Hope
Mary Daniell Daughter F 0 Shoreditch, Middlesex

no wonder you couldn't find them in the 1871 on ancestry :-D :-D :-D

I searched on forenames only



1871 Census

Name: Richard McDaniel
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary McDaniel
Gender: Male
Where born: St Bride's, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 445
Folio: 17
Page Number: 27

Richard McDaniel 24 Looking Glass Frame Maker
Mary McDaniel 22 b.ca 1849, Cape Good Hope, King Willn Town
[Cape of Good Hope, King Williams Town, Africa], Machinist
Mary McDaniel 5 Months b.ca 1870, Shoreditch

Address:- 20 Forster (or Forsten) Street



It IS Richard W Daniell on the image





I've sent in Alternative Information

Always a good idea to look at familysearch, where 1871 is in full, and free?

The record Yvonne posted looks like that site's layout

His baptism from said site

Richard William Daniell
England Births and Christenings
Name: Richard William Daniell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Jul 1848
Christening Place: ST BRIDE FLEET ST ,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1846
Father's Name: Richard William Daniell
Mother's Name: Eliza

Thank you both for looking for me. Had to smile at the McDaniel census, no wonder I couldnt find them. Will remember that tip in future. :-)

Using
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
and, later on:
https://familysearch.org/catalog-search

FS now uses the FMP/GR transcription for all English censuses.
Ancestry uses its own transciption, except for 1881 (where it uses the old, superceded, FS transcription).


Actually, the old FS transcription is slightly flawed - it gives the same census ref # for the whole h/h.

[For an example, look up 1881 for Barbara Atherton - it's the Wigan hit we want:
Everyone in the h/h gets
PIECE: 3765 FOLIO: 62 PAGE NUMBER: 10

FS now gives https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQXH-YJC
So Barbara and Thos thru Thos get:
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3765 / 62
Page Number: 10
But the rest are on the next page, and get:
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3765 / 63
Page Number: 11 ]


FS only put the whole h/h together for 1871-1881

Here's your mob in 1871:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJD-XSV
the footer gives a partial ref:
citing PRO RG 10, folio 17, p. 27, Shoreditch registration district, Hoxton New Town subdistrict, ED 4, household 153, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 823,360
We can check and everyone in the h/h got PRO RG 10, folio 17, p. 27

Now we can do an FS catalog search for film # 823360
1871 RG 10/445-448; Family History Library; British Film; 823360

We could do a search at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ for rg10/445 then rg10/448, but both get:
Shoreditch registration district, Hoxton New Town subdistrict (so rg10/446 and rg10/447 do too).
It probably is a waste of time in a city, but could help in a rural area.

So we know the piece # is in the range 445-448.
Ancestry lets one search using the census ref - or even a partial census ref - one can also add in personal details, like name, etc.
A search for rg10/445/17/27 thru rg10/448/27/27 gets 4 pages of hits.
Rg10 identifies the 1871 census, and is implicit if one searches at:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7619

It's easy to spot them on rg10/446/17/27


One could proceed similarly for
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3L6-TDN
[rg11/411/9/11]

FS gives no similar info for 1891, 1901 or 1911.
(Ancestry has removed the use of census refs for 1891 searches
I believe the ref for 1891 is rg12/257/14/16 - one can search Ancestry using 257 14 16 as a keyword - but it pulls in other junk - ther're 84 hits from a 31 line page).

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q4WP-3ZM
1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D8-CJJ
[rg13/286/40/9]
1911 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG6-LLS
[rg14/1169 - normally each 1911 piece # covers one enumerator's district.
However, institutions (and vessels in port) were grouped together into a piece.
rg14/1169 coveres ED 30-38 - Mary's an inmate in ED 30, but I don't know what sort of indtitution it is]