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This looks like Sam and Maggie in the 1911 census:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Bentcliffe Street Eccles, Eccles, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

Sam Howarth Head Married Male 27 1884 Lancs Eccles Mechanics Labourer
Maggie Howarth Wife Married Female 21 1890 Lancs Salford -
Nora Howarth Daughter - Female 0 1911 Lancs Eccles -

Married one year.

Kath. x

If Sam jnr.'s father died when Sam was young he may not have been sure of his father's name and so gave Ernest by mistake.

Kath. x

Thanks Kath

It looks as though your right and it matches with the family saying his name was Sam.

I'll go with that as they also said Maggie not Margaret

They gave me the certificate it's only a copy they could have got it off the net

This looks like Sam Howarth jnr.'s birth:-

First name(s) SAM
Last name HOWARTH
Birth year 1914
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name BYRNE
District BARTON UPON IRWELL
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 1246

Kath. x

I think you have the wrong marriage for Sam's parents. This is more likely to be the one given Sam's age when he married in 1939:-

First name(s) MAGGIE
Last name BYRNE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1910
Registration month -

MarriageFinder™ MAGGIE BYRNE married one of these people
***SAMUEL HOWARTH,*** JOHN WILLIAM WIGNALL

Spouse's last name -
District BARTON UPON IRWELL
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 1049

Kath. x

But Ernest Howarth & Margaret Byrne didn't marry until 1935:

Marriages Sep 1935 (>99%)
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Byrne Margaret Howarth Burnley 8e 492
Howarth Ernest Byrne Burnley 8e 492

Yes I did see that her birth was 27th Dec 1920 From what I can gather she was born at 4 harry St Salford

Name: Ivy Lee
Mother's Maiden Surname: Peacock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 237

Help needed to get going on my future daughter in laws tree Not much to go off

I have her mother Barbara Howarth b 1950 Lancashire ( Salford) her parents were
Marriage Certificate 5th August 1939
Sam Howarth 25 Bachelor a Wire worker 73mackendale St father Earnest Howarth deceased a General Labourer
Ivy Lee 18 Spinster 4 Harry St Salford father James Lee Deceased a Laundry man

I've got James Lee & Mary Jane Peacock as Ivy's parents
Ernest Howarth and Margaret Byrne as Sam's Parents although the family say it was Sam but as it's on the marriage as Ernest

That is all I've got if anyone can get me going I'd appreciate it

AS YOU CAN SEE I HAVE HAD SOME INFO BUT

I have since found out that the marriage certificate I had was right Ernest Howarth was step father ?
Apparently Sam Howarth the father died in WW1, think the mother married her brother in law? not asked that yet
But I would like to know about his WW1 record

Sam Howarth born 1883 Eccles Lancashire their is one who died in 1915 but I need credits to get into it his number is 29843 a Gunner