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My brothers death shows for 2012, his birth year is incorrect

He had no announcement, no probate, so where have they got his details from, the hospital?

He died in the UK but lived in the US, no ER for him in the UK

My sisters death in 2013 does not show at Ancestry

The records have been supplied from a commercial tracing company which provides services to clean up databases. This company Wilmington Millennium compiles the data in what they called the Grey Power Database from various sources such as Funeral Directors, Obituary Notices, Insurance companies & other derived sources. None of this information comes from the GRO or Register Offices. The databases covers only around 45% of the deaths and from comments made elsewhere has a lot of errors.

At best this is a finding aid and not as source, and I strongly advise that it isn't taken at face value and must be checked against official sources such as the GRO indexes held at the libraries mentioned earlier.

No....I am an only child so when she died we put one announcement

LLEWELLYN On 27th December 2012 at the Royal Gwent Hospital, Joan Llewellyn, aged 87 years of Newport. Beloved wife of Jim, devoted mother of Judith, mother-in-law of Mark, much loved Nana Joan of Cerys and Siobhan. Funeral Wednesday January 23rd, service at St. Philips Church, Jenkins Street, Newport at 1.30pm followed by committal at the Gwent Crematorium 2.30pm. Family flowers only, donations in lieu if desired to the British Heart Foundation (Cardiff) Admail 4065, Cardiff. CF1 1ZA. Further enquiries to Lyndon Bassett (Funeral Service) Newport. Tel: (01633) 278329.

And one year later we put an in memoriam...

this is the Ancestry entry

NAME: MS Joan Cerys Llewellyn
GENDER: Female
AGE: 87
BIRTH DATE: 2 Jul 1925
DEATH DATE: 27 Dec 2012
RESIDENCE PLACE AT DEATH: Newport, Wales
POSTAL CODE DISTRICT: NP19

The post code is correct(ish) - does not show on death certificate

So don't know how they have got the dob or the post code without hell of a lot of research :-S

Jude would someone have put a birthday message in the local press after your mum's death?

Seems that findmypast(.com) is also collating various death records for recent years.

Searching one year at a time, there are five records for 2012, and eight records for 2011. All from :-
Mid Norfolk Monumental Inscriptions Transcription

In 2010 there are many more, primarily from:-
Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010 Transcription. (Plus a few from Norfolk.)

Their last year of GRO records is 2007

About England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013

This collection is a compiled index that covers approximately 55% of the total deaths that occured in this time period.

This index provides death details for people in England and Wales, specifically their name, gender, date of birth or age at death, date of death, and residence place at death. However, they do not include the General Register Office (GRO) reference information.

We didn't have to obtain probate when my mum died because the house was in my dad's name and the bank accounts were joint and the estate was below the limit.

The announcement in the local paper gave the date of her death and my dad's name and the first names of me, my husband and daughters. Somebody would have had to do a bit of detective work to get back to her date of birth....so not really getting it!

Jude

I had seen this thread and had a sudden need for the new index :-)

first I had to hunt up the thread, and then go hunting for the index

for easy reference, it is here

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60630

... unfortunately the one I was looking for was not there ... but this could mean she is living still, perhaps in a nursing home ...

Familysearch could be using the newly released probate reocrds!

They are all index only - no images

Jude

I'm with you HeyJudeB4Beatles, treat with care and caution.

Don';t you hate those who seek to dominate. Guess you would have to be a paying member to get full details.

Sappho

Dad's on there and the information has come from the local paper

I was looking at some of the Scottish ones.
They have definitely been taken from Obituaries and Findagrave and are linked as such.

Treat with caution!!!

My mother died on 27/12/2012

Her date of birth was 02/07/1925

Her name was Joan - no middle name

I was the informant

SOMEHOW they have transcribed her as Ms Joan Cerys...spookily Cerys is my daughter's name - but there is absolutely nothing on the death certificate that would suggest this info!!!!!

The only way they have linked my mum and my daughter is by the announcement in the local paper!

•Birmingham Central Library
•Bridgend Local and Family History Centre
•City of Westminster Archives Centre
•Manchester City Library
•Newcastle City Library
•Plymouth Central Library
•The British Library

The above offices hold indexed of BDM up to 2013. they wont be released online by the direction of the GRO at the present time.

see also

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1348843

DazedConfused
And where/how would Familysearch obtain the records?

I think the hit and miss of these records indicates they are not obtained from the GRO.

probably from Famikysearch and other sources

My one showed in 2012 so I guess it is just 'hit and miss' at the moment but at least a step forward.

Dea x

Took a look for an aunt who died in Cornwall about 2007/ 8 aged 102 but she doesn't show