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15 Jan 2015 00:25 |
I am looking for information on mary ann dean before she was married I believe she was born in kent I believe dean was her maiden name she married joseph mcguinness I believed she married him in 1886 they had 10 children by 1911 but sadly 3 died I cant find any of the death certificate for the children or any information on the living ones am wondering if people could help me to find out what happened to them all
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15 Jan 2015 00:41 |
For our info - presumably this is the marriage you've found?
Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%) >>>Dean Mary Ann S. Shields 10a 717 >>>McGUINNESS Joseph S.Shields 10a 717 Sweeney Mary Ann S. Shields 10a 717 Wilkinson John S. Shields 10a 717
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15 Jan 2015 00:44 |
1891 census Name: Joseph McGuinness Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A McGuinness Gender: Male Where born: South Shields, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts Town: Hebburn County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: South Shields Sub registration district: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4169 Folio: 91 Page Number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Joseph McGuinness 27 Mary A McGuinness 27 - Tunbridge Wells, Kent William J McGuinness 4 Joseph McGuinness 3 Catherine McGuinness 2 Matilda McGuinness 7/12
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15 Jan 2015 00:47 |
There is this birth although it makes her slightly older than in the 1891 census above. Perhaps she took a bit off her age so she didn't appear older than her husband:-
First name(s) MARY Last name DEAN Birth year 1862 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's last name - District TUNBRIDGE WELLS County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 442
or this one but not in Tunbridge Wells:-
First name(s) MARY ANN Last name DEAN Birth year 1864 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's last name - District FAVERSHAM County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 637
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15 Jan 2015 00:55 |
Might she have said TW being the closest town rather than name a village or hamlet/
As it wasn't compulsary to register a birth until 1873, it might be best to purchase a copy of the MC. That would give the name of her father, if known.
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15 Jan 2015 01:01 |
Later census only says kent, London or Kent!
As you've asked about the children - for follow up
1901
Name: Joseph McGuinness Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Mary A McGuinness Birth Place: South Shields, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hebburn Ecclesiastical parish: Hebburn St John County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: Jarrow ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Piece: 4745 Folio: 131 Page Number: 37 Household schedule number: 189
Joseph McGuinness 37 Mary A McGuinness 37 William McGuinness 14 Joseph McGuinness 13 Catherine McGuinness 12 Matilda McGuinness 10 Mary A McGuinness 6 Charles McGuinness 4 ..............
1911 Name: Joseph Mc Guinness Age in 1911: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: South Shields, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hebburn County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 23 Prince Consort Road Hebburn On Tyne Marital Status: Married Occupation: Labourer In Chemical Works Registration district: South Shields Registration District Number: 556 Sub-registration district: Jarrow ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 30381 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Mc Guinness 48 Mary Ann Mc Guinness 47 Joseph Mc Guinness 23 Kate Mc Guinness 21 Mary Ann Mc Guinness 16 Norah Mc Guinness 10 Lawrance Mc Guinness 7
10 Children born, 3 died. Those listed born in Hebburn
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15 Jan 2015 01:30 |
Looking for a pattern 8 children named on census
William John b 1886 Joseph b 1888 Catherine Ann b 1889 Matilda b 1890 Mary Ann b 1895 Charles b 1897 Norah 1902 Lawrence 1905
Look for South Shields births and infant deaths for 1890-1895 and then 1897-1902-1905.
It may be an impossible task without purchasing numerous B and D certs. Don’t forget that they may have named a surviving child after one who had died. It might be worth looking to see if there was an earlier Mary Ann, named after her mother. …………….. Pension records WW1 Name: Joseph McGuinness Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1888 Birth Place: Hebburn, Durham, England Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1912 Age: 26 Document Year: 1914 Regimental Number: 16963 Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment Form Title: Short Service Attestation Number of Images: 7 Other Records: Search for 'Joseph McGuinness' in other WWI collections
Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Joseph McGuinness Self (Head) Emma Harman - spouse Joseph McGuinness - son Born and baptised 4 Apr 1914, Hebburn
Married Emma on 3 Apr 1912. Emma’s address 81 (might be 80) Western Rd, Jarrow
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15 Jan 2015 01:37 |
Lawrence Mcguinness England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: Lawrence Mcguinness Gender: Male Age: 52 Birth Date: 1905 Death Date: 9 Dec 1957 Death Place: Hebburn Burial Date: 12 Dec 1957 Burial Place: Hebburn FHL Film Number: 2046619
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15 Jan 2015 01:53 |
Oh wow that information looks good will have to have a look at the specially the ww1 records thanks for the help if you happen to see any new information on the children please pass it along
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15 Jan 2015 10:06 |
Use freebmd to look for marriages and deaths. Lawrence's is reg in Durham N E to give you some idea of the districts. This site may help you sort them out http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/
There are a number of Catholic McGuinness families in the area. As you can imagine, it's difficult sorting out BMD without purchasing Certs.
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15 Jan 2015 12:07 |
Northumberland and Durham Marriages Transcription
First name(s) MARY ANN Last name DEAN Marriage year 1886 Marriage day 06 Marriage month Jan Place - Groom's first name(s) John Groom's last name Wilkinson Groom's parish - Bride's first name(s) Mary Ann Bride's last name Dean Bride's parish - Description Jarrow Grange, Christ Church County Durham Country England Record set Northumberland and Durham Marriages Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from United Kingdom .... Northumberland and Durham Marriages Transcription First name(s) MARY ANN Last name SWEENEY Marriage year 1886 Marriage day 03 Marriage month Jan Place - Groom's first name(s) Joseph Groom's last name McGuiness Groom's parish - Bride's first name(s) Mary Ann Bride's last name Sweeney Bride's parish - Description Jarrow Grange, Christ Church County Durham Country England Record set Northumberland and Durham Marriages Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from United Kingdom
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15 Jan 2015 12:22 |
Booger! At least that explains why we couldn't find anything in Kent !! :-| :-D
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15 Jan 2015 12:42 |
:-D :-D :-D
I think the marriage cert might be needed on this one!
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15 Jan 2015 12:42 |
hi found a death for matilda 1901 aged 11 which matches the 1901 census aged 10 died last 1/4 sept-dec thats the only matilda born that matches the death age
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