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Many thanks to all!

Rachel had a much more interesting life than I'd thought - and I would probably never have known without you.

Ellis Island has a record for.

Rachel Nicholls, they have aged 7,,birth country England arrival New York date 1869. departed from Liverpool.

Ancestry has a copy of the original petition (vol 58 147), but same info as on index card above.

New York, Naturalization Petitions, 1794-1906

In the matter of the aplication of Andrew Nichols to become a citizen of the united states....

John Ridgeway signs to say he's acquainted with applicant and that applicant has resided in the United States for at least 5 years- and at least 1 year proceding application in New York.

U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: Andrew Nichols
Birth Place: United Kingdom
Court District: New York
Date of Action: 27 Oct 1875

Very little info on the above, it's volume 58 record 147 - not sure if the full records are in the unindexed images on FamilySearch?

Again, many thanks to everyone.
There's a lot there to think about.

It certainly does look as if they went to the US - too many coincidences otherwise

Gritty - re Ireland on records, I've found that often Ireland and Scotland seem to be interchangeable, especially on US records - perhaps the clerks couldn't tell the difference in accent, and didn't actually ask the person where they were born.

MC - I'll look into Bucks workhouses - although from this link, it doesn't look as if relevant records have survived:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Buckingham/

and also how many of "my" Andrew's children were still living in 1886.

As Rachel's still in Akeley in 1871, maybe Andrew had gone to the USA with Henry?? and maybe others of his children c.1865-6 - if the info on that workhouse record posted by MC is correct.
If he hadn't been at home with Rachel for 5 or 6 years, maybe the 1871 enumerator just assumed she was widowed??

Can't see travel records for Andrew, Rachel or Henry.

In case it's of relevance, this is further detail from the 1886 admission to the Almshouse:

Andrew Nichols had been in the USA (in NY state) for 20 years and was naturalised.

He was a labourer, as was his father.

He had 2 living children (self supporting).

Reason for admission was "old age and infirmity" and it was stated that he would remain dependent.

In answer to the question if he'd ever been in a poorhouse before it states "Poor House in England 20 years ago, 2 weeks"

So that intimates that he would have been in a workhouse in England very soon before departing for US.

Would Bucks workhouse records be available?

Ok, Need to go to work but just to confuse things (may not be connected, but just in case)

1875 New York State Census
Chauncey Street, Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States

Henry Nicholas 65 England Milk Messenger
Rachelle Nicholas 60 Wife England
Henry Nicholas 26 England Laborer
Rachelle Nicholas 25 Wife Kings
Rachelle Nicholas 2? Dau Kings
Joseph Nicholas 1 son Kings
Mrs Cath D?----- 70 Kings Washing ?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13035-65076-54?cc=1918735

Just in case it's relevant

New York Death Index:
Name: Rachel Nichols
Birth Year: abt 1815
Age: 69
Death Date: 19 Apr 1884
Death Place: Kings, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 3803

New York Death Index:
Name: Andrew Nichols
Birth Year: abt 1809
Age: 83
Death Date: 21 May 1892
Death Place: Kings, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 8028

1892 State census has an Andrew in a 'Home for the Aged'- it states born Ireland, but these are just 'ditto' marks and everyone on the list appears to be born Ireland?

Name: Andrew Nicholis
Birth Year: abt 1809
Birth Place: Ireland
Age: 83
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Ward: Ward 22
Election District: 38
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Henry's marriage:

New York Marriage Index
Name: Catharine Maher
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 18 Nov 1871
Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA
Spouse: Henry Nichols
Certificate Number: 2151

Well, if those grandchildren are Henry's children, maybe this is Henry going to US:


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Henry Nichols
Name: Henry Nichols
Arrival Date: 27 Oct 1871
Birth Date: abt 1848
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: France


ADDED: Or maybe not. There's a tree on Ancestry which says he emigrated in 1865.

Thanks for all that, everyone - I think!
I did see that poorhouse record for Andrew in 1886, and wondered about it, Gins.

So why is Rachel in Akeley listed as a widow in 1871?
And in Brooklyn in 1884, if that's the same Rachel?

If she's not a widow in 1871, where's Andrew?

Re the death in 1865, I admit I would have expected Andrew's death to be in Buckingham reg district, which includes Akeley.

This is the burial of the Rachel that Yvonne posted above


Rachel Nichols

Date of Birth **

Date of Death **08-24-1882

Age86y

Cemetery (name/alt/alt)Sand Hill Cemetery / Natural Bridge

Location (Section/Lot)unknown

Village


Town / CountyWilna, Jefferson County

Photo NumberNo Photo Available*

Burial ID116956


This would mean she was born c1796 but as we know transcripts etc can be wrong


http://www.nnygenealogy.com/

That death Yvonne, appears to someone else as this looks like the couple



U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989


Name:Rachael Nichols <<<it does show 'wid' next to her name

Gender:Female

Residence Year:1884

Street address:2e6 Patchen av

Residence Place:Brooklyn, New York, USA

Occupation:Fancygds ?????

Spouse:
Andrew Nichols

Publication Title:Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1884


Edited this and the above entry

It looks as though the grandson Joseph is the son of Henry Nichols who could be Andrew and Rachels son.



Joseph Nichols

New York, Births and Christenings

Name: Joseph Nichols
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1874
Birthplace: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Father's Name: Henry Nichols
Mother's Name: Kate Meher

Rachel and Joseph are with their parents Henry and Kate in the 1892 New York State census . Henry born England and Kate born Ireland.

could this be rachel only one i can find

Name: Rachel Nichols
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 1882
Event Place: Natural Bridge, Jefferson, New York, United States of America
Death Date: 24 Aug 1882
Affiliate Record Identifier: 13981725
Cemetery: Sand Hill Cemetery

New York, Census of Inmates in Almshouses and Poorhouses, 1830-1920

Name:Andrew Nichols <<<Widower

Gender:Male

Age:76

Birth Year:abt 1810

Birth Place:Buckingham, Buckinghamshire

Admission Date:7 Jan 1886

Father's Birth Place:
Buckingham, Buckinghamshire England

Mother's Birth Place:
Buckingham, Buckinghamshire England

Name: Rachel Nicholls
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 14 Feb 1866
Burial Place: Emberton, Buckingham, England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01144-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1967096 , Reference ID: item 4 p 80

hi
that looks like rachel in new york looking at the census you have in england and the age difference of andrew and rachel this could be andrews death
Andrew Nichols
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 1892
Event Place: Brooklyn, Kings (Brooklyn), New York, United States of America
Death Date: 22 May 1892
Affiliate Record Identifier: 85220149
Cemetery: Green-Wood Cemetery

This is more likely the Andrew Nichols who died in 1865. He is not with the family in 1871


Name:
Andrew Nichols

Age:
6/12

Estimated Birth Year:
1860

Relation:
Son

Father's Name:
Benjamin Nichols

Mother's name:
Jane Nichols

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish:
Stoke Goldington

County/Island:
Buckinghamshire

Newport Pagnell


Name

Age


Benjamin Nichols 32
Jane Nichols 22
James P Nichols 5
William J Nichols 4
Ann L Nichols 2
.... Andrew Nichols 6/12


Are you positive that they are not the family in the US

Thanks, Yvonne - already posted above.

I really only want to know what happened to Rachel after 1871

Thanks for your interest..

Name: Andrew Nichols
Spouse's Name: Rachel Holtom
Event Date: 1837
Event Place: Akeley, Buckingham, England
Father's Name: John Nichols