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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2015 14:09 |
Another dead end in my tree, with which I'd be grateful for some help, please:
Rachel Holtom was a sister of my gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph Holtom. I have all the details of their parents and siblings, thanks.
It's Rachel's death or possible remarriage I'm interested in.
Her baptism:
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Rachel Holtom Name: Rachel Holtom Gender: Female Baptism Date: 6 Mar 1815 Baptism Place: Akeley, Buckingham, England Father: John Holtom Mother: Martha FHL Film Number: 1042374
In 1834 she had an illegitimate son:
George Holtom England Births and Christenings Name: George Holtom Gender: Male Christening Date: 1834 Christening Place: AKELEY, BUCKINGHAM, ENGLAND Mother's Name: Rachael Holtom Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C39137-7 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1042374 , Reference ID: - 2:2P2HN1F
In 1837, she married Andrew Nichol(l)s:
Rachel Holtom mentioned in the record of Andrew Nichols and Rachel Holtom Name: Andrew Nichols Spouse's Name: Rachel Holtom Event Date: 1837 Event Place: Akeley, Buckingham, England Father's Name: John Nichols Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M14528-1 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1042374 , Reference ID: 2:3BWBCSS
In censuses:
1841 England Census about Rachel Nichols Name: Rachel Nichols Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Female Where born: Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Akeley Hundred: Buckingham County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Buckingham Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 44 Book: 3 Folio: 5 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Nichols 30 Rachel Nichols 20 George Nichols 8 - this is Rachel's son George Holtom Martha Anne Nichols 3 Joseph Nichols 3 Mo (Rachel's father John Holtom is also in the household, although not transcribed on ancestry.)
1851 England Census about Rachel Nichols Name: Rachel Nichols Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Andrew Nichols Gender: Female Where born: Akeley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Akeley Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Buckingham Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 50 Piece: 1724 Folio: 64 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Nichols 41 - ag. lab. Rachel Nichols 34 George Nichols 16 Joseph Nichols 10 Henry Nichols 2
1861 England Census about Rachel Nichols Name: Rachel Nichols Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: 1818 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Andrew Nichols Gender: Female Where born: Akeley Civil Parish: Akeley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Buckingham Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 62 Piece: 877 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Nichols 48 - ag. lab. Rachel Nichols 43 - lacemaker Henry Nichols 13 Jacob Nichols 43 - lodger
Probably Andrew's death: Deaths Mar 1865 (>99%) Nichols Andrew Newport P. 3a 381
In 1871 Rachel's a widow:
1871 England Census about Rachel Nicholl Name: Rachel Nicholl Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Akeley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Akeley Ecclesiastical parish: Akeley Town: Akeley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Buckingham Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 79 Piece: 1422 Folio: 11 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Rachel Nicholl 58 - lacemaker
However, that's the last I can find of her. Can anyone else spot a death or remarriage, please? Or find her in 1881 or later census?
Please note: There is a red-herring family in New York in 1880, but only if Andrew were still alive, which he's not:
1880 United States Federal Census about Rachael Nichols Name: Rachael Nichols Age: 64 Birth Year: abt 1816 Birthplace: England Home in 1880: Brooklyn, Kings, New York Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Andrew Nichols Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Keeping House Household Members: Name Age Andrew Nichols 71 - milkman, born England Rachael Nichols 64 Rachael Nichols 7 - grand-daughter, born Brooklyn Joseph Nichols 5 - grandson, born Brooklyn
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malyon
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5 Jan 2015 16:34 |
Name: Andrew Nichols Spouse's Name: Rachel Holtom Event Date: 1837 Event Place: Akeley, Buckingham, England Father's Name: John Nichols
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2015 16:45 |
Thanks, Yvonne - already posted above.
I really only want to know what happened to Rachel after 1871
Thanks for your interest..
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Astra
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5 Jan 2015 16:52 |
This is more likely the Andrew Nichols who died in 1865. He is not with the family in 1871
Name: Andrew Nichols
Age: 6/12
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin Nichols
Mother's name: Jane Nichols
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Goldington, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Goldington
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Newport Pagnell
Name
Age
Benjamin Nichols 32 Jane Nichols 22 James P Nichols 5 William J Nichols 4 Ann L Nichols 2 .... Andrew Nichols 6/12
Are you positive that they are not the family in the US
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malyon
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5 Jan 2015 16:54 |
hi that looks like rachel in new york looking at the census you have in england and the age difference of andrew and rachel this could be andrews death Andrew Nichols Event Type: Burial Event Date: 1892 Event Place: Brooklyn, Kings (Brooklyn), New York, United States of America Death Date: 22 May 1892 Affiliate Record Identifier: 85220149 Cemetery: Green-Wood Cemetery
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5 Jan 2015 16:55 |
Name: Rachel Nicholls Gender: Female Burial Date: 14 Feb 1866 Burial Place: Emberton, Buckingham, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01144-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1967096 , Reference ID: item 4 p 80
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Gee
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5 Jan 2015 16:58 |
New York, Census of Inmates in Almshouses and Poorhouses, 1830-1920
Name:Andrew Nichols <<<Widower
Gender:Male
Age:76
Birth Year:abt 1810
Birth Place:Buckingham, Buckinghamshire
Admission Date:7 Jan 1886
Father's Birth Place: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire England
Mother's Birth Place: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire England
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malyon
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5 Jan 2015 17:02 |
could this be rachel only one i can find
Name: Rachel Nichols Event Type: Burial Event Date: 1882 Event Place: Natural Bridge, Jefferson, New York, United States of America Death Date: 24 Aug 1882 Affiliate Record Identifier: 13981725 Cemetery: Sand Hill Cemetery
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Astra
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5 Jan 2015 17:05 |
It looks as though the grandson Joseph is the son of Henry Nichols who could be Andrew and Rachels son.
Joseph Nichols New York, Births and Christenings Name: Joseph Nichols Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Jun 1874 Birthplace: Brooklyn, Kings, New York Father's Name: Henry Nichols Mother's Name: Kate Meher
Rachel and Joseph are with their parents Henry and Kate in the 1892 New York State census . Henry born England and Kate born Ireland.
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Gee
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5 Jan 2015 17:13 |
That death Yvonne, appears to someone else as this looks like the couple
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989
Name:Rachael Nichols <<<it does show 'wid' next to her name
Gender:Female
Residence Year:1884
Street address:2e6 Patchen av
Residence Place:Brooklyn, New York, USA
Occupation:Fancygds ?????
Spouse: Andrew Nichols
Publication Title:Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1884
Edited this and the above entry
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Gee
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5 Jan 2015 18:53 |
This is the burial of the Rachel that Yvonne posted above
Rachel Nichols Date of Birth ** Date of Death **08-24-1882
Age86y
Cemetery (name/alt/alt)Sand Hill Cemetery / Natural Bridge
Location (Section/Lot)unknown
Village
Town / CountyWilna, Jefferson County
Photo NumberNo Photo Available*
Burial ID116956
This would mean she was born c1796 but as we know transcripts etc can be wrong
http://www.nnygenealogy.com/
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2015 23:00 |
Thanks for all that, everyone - I think! I did see that poorhouse record for Andrew in 1886, and wondered about it, Gins.
So why is Rachel in Akeley listed as a widow in 1871? And in Brooklyn in 1884, if that's the same Rachel?
If she's not a widow in 1871, where's Andrew?
Re the death in 1865, I admit I would have expected Andrew's death to be in Buckingham reg district, which includes Akeley.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2015 23:01 |
Well, if those grandchildren are Henry's children, maybe this is Henry going to US:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Henry Nichols Name: Henry Nichols Arrival Date: 27 Oct 1871 Birth Date: abt 1848 Age: 23 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: France
ADDED: Or maybe not. There's a tree on Ancestry which says he emigrated in 1865.
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Gritty
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6 Jan 2015 06:52 |
Just in case it's relevant
New York Death Index: Name: Rachel Nichols Birth Year: abt 1815 Age: 69 Death Date: 19 Apr 1884 Death Place: Kings, New York, USA Certificate Number: 3803
New York Death Index: Name: Andrew Nichols Birth Year: abt 1809 Age: 83 Death Date: 21 May 1892 Death Place: Kings, New York, USA Certificate Number: 8028
1892 State census has an Andrew in a 'Home for the Aged'- it states born Ireland, but these are just 'ditto' marks and everyone on the list appears to be born Ireland?
Name: Andrew Nicholis Birth Year: abt 1809 Birth Place: Ireland Age: 83 Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings Ward: Ward 22 Election District: 38 --------------------------------------------------------------------
Henry's marriage:
New York Marriage Index Name: Catharine Maher Gender: Female Marriage Date: 18 Nov 1871 Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA Spouse: Henry Nichols Certificate Number: 2151
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Gritty
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6 Jan 2015 08:59 |
Ok, Need to go to work but just to confuse things (may not be connected, but just in case)
1875 New York State Census Chauncey Street, Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Henry Nicholas 65 England Milk Messenger Rachelle Nicholas 60 Wife England Henry Nicholas 26 England Laborer Rachelle Nicholas 25 Wife Kings Rachelle Nicholas 2? Dau Kings Joseph Nicholas 1 son Kings Mrs Cath D?----- 70 Kings Washing ?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13035-65076-54?cc=1918735
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2015 09:35 |
In case it's of relevance, this is further detail from the 1886 admission to the Almshouse:
Andrew Nichols had been in the USA (in NY state) for 20 years and was naturalised.
He was a labourer, as was his father.
He had 2 living children (self supporting).
Reason for admission was "old age and infirmity" and it was stated that he would remain dependent.
In answer to the question if he'd ever been in a poorhouse before it states "Poor House in England 20 years ago, 2 weeks"
So that intimates that he would have been in a workhouse in England very soon before departing for US.
Would Bucks workhouse records be available?
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2015 12:56 |
Again, many thanks to everyone. There's a lot there to think about.
It certainly does look as if they went to the US - too many coincidences otherwise
Gritty - re Ireland on records, I've found that often Ireland and Scotland seem to be interchangeable, especially on US records - perhaps the clerks couldn't tell the difference in accent, and didn't actually ask the person where they were born.
MC - I'll look into Bucks workhouses - although from this link, it doesn't look as if relevant records have survived: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Buckingham/
and also how many of "my" Andrew's children were still living in 1886.
As Rachel's still in Akeley in 1871, maybe Andrew had gone to the USA with Henry?? and maybe others of his children c.1865-6 - if the info on that workhouse record posted by MC is correct. If he hadn't been at home with Rachel for 5 or 6 years, maybe the 1871 enumerator just assumed she was widowed??
Can't see travel records for Andrew, Rachel or Henry.
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2015 16:10 |
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project) Name: Andrew Nichols Birth Place: United Kingdom Court District: New York Date of Action: 27 Oct 1875
Very little info on the above, it's volume 58 record 147 - not sure if the full records are in the unindexed images on FamilySearch?
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Gritty
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6 Jan 2015 16:28 |
Ancestry has a copy of the original petition (vol 58 147), but same info as on index card above.
New York, Naturalization Petitions, 1794-1906
In the matter of the aplication of Andrew Nichols to become a citizen of the united states....
John Ridgeway signs to say he's acquainted with applicant and that applicant has resided in the United States for at least 5 years- and at least 1 year proceding application in New York.
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6 Jan 2015 23:14 |
Ellis Island has a record for.
Rachel Nicholls, they have aged 7,,birth country England arrival New York date 1869. departed from Liverpool.
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