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I'm trying to find out the maiden name of Sarah Ann Stanley. I think it's Coy, but would be grateful if you could see if I'm right or not. And also if you think I've found the right record for her first marriage.

Her second husband, James Horace Stanley is in my tree, and I have all the details about him, his parents, siblings, etc, thanks.

Her first husband, John Power(s) seems to change his name, so I'm not 100% sure I've got the right marriage for John and Sarah, and therefore not sure of her maiden name.

Working backwards:

Here are James and Sarah in 1911, with Sarah's children from her first marriage:


1911 England Census about James Horace Stanley
Name: James Horace Stanley
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Drayton, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Smethwick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: 78 Unett St Smethwick
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Brewers Labourer
Registration district: Kings Norton
Registration District Number: 383
Sub-registration district: Smethwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Piece: 17986
Household Members:
Name Age
James Horace Stanley 47
Sarah Ann Stanley 53 - born c1858, Amcotts, Lincs.
John James Power 21 - born c1890, Warwick
Hariett Jane Power 20 - born c1891, Warwick
Edward Job Power 18 - born c1893, Smethwick, Staffs.
Alice Power 16 - born c1895, Smethwick


James & Sarah's marriage:
Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
POWER Sarah Ann King's N. 6c 815
STANLEY James Horace King's N. 6c 815


Here's Sarah with her first husband and children in 1901:


1901 England Census about Sarah A Power
Name: Sarah A Power
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Power
Birth Place: Amcotts, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2820
Folio: 96
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members:
Name Age
John Power 43 - born Leamington, Warwickshire
Sarah A Power 46
John Power 11
Harriett Power 10
Edward Power 8
Alice Power 5

In 1891, her husband has the middle name Smith:

1891 England Census about John Smith Powers
Name: John Smith Powers
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Powers
Gender: Male
Where born: Lamington
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Warwick
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Warwick
Sub registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2469
Folio: 65
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith Powers 33
Sarah Ann Powers 33
Kate Helena Powers 6 - born Bradford, Yorks.
Annie E Powers 3 - born Amcotts, Lincs
John I Powers 1
Harriett Powers 1 12


This is probably his birth:
Births Dec 1856 (>99%)
Power John Warwick 6d 435

One of these is his death:
Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
POWER John Smith 50 King's N 6c 337
POWER John Smith 50 King's N 6c 338

I can't see John in 1881, but this will be him in 1871, as two of his children were later named after his parents. He does have the middle initial S here:

1871 England Census about John A Power
Name: John A Power
[John S Power]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Job Power
Mother's name: Harriett Power
Gender: Male
Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Leamington
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 208
Piece: 3193
Folio: 141
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Job Power 37
Harriett Power 37
Eliza Power 16
John A Power 14
Susan A Power 12
Sarah A Power 10
William Power 8
Mary Power 6
Kate Power 3
Elizabeth Boyes 82 - lodger
Thomas Harrisson 21 - lodger


I'm assuming this is Sarah Ann in 1871, going by YOB and POB in later censuses:

1871 England Census about Sarah Ann Coy
Name: Sarah Ann Coy
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Coy
Mother's name: Mary Ann Coy
Gender: Female
Where born: Amcotts, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Amcotts
Town: Amcotts
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Thorne
Sub-registration district: Crowle
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 4728
Folio: 97
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
James Coy 39
Mary Ann Coy 34
Sarah Ann Coy 13
William Coy 11
Jane Elizabeth Coy 9
Tom John Coy 7
Frederick Coy 4
Alice Coy 1

BUT this one is also a possibility:

1871 England Census about Sarah Ann Coy
Name: Sarah Ann Coy
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Chapel Allerton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Chapeltown
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 4575
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Vickers 66
Charles Vickers 34
Ann Vickers 31
Ellen Vickers 9
Henry Vickers 5
Ada Vickers 1
Thomas Parker 35
Sarah Ann Coy 14

HOWEVER, the only likely marriage I can find in the Lincs / Yorks area in the right time frame is this one:

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
Bradley John Power York 9d 99
Coy Sarah Ann York 9d 99

So , do you think this is John calling himself Bradley for some reason, or have I got the wrong marriage, and possibly the wrong Sarah Ann?

I know the only sure way is to buy the marriage cert, to see fathers' names, but I'd be grateful for your thoughts first.

I've just noticed -
there's a tree on Ancestry which says John Smith Power married Sarah Ann Coy, but it only gives censuses as sources.

I suppose you could check who John Smith Power married?

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Harriet Jane Power
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1891
Baptism Place: All Saints, Warwick, Warwick, England
Father: John Smith Power <<<
Mother: Sarah Ann
FHL Film Number: 1067554

EDIT: Oops - just noticed what was buried in the long post above!

Name: Sarah Ann Coy
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Jan 1858
Christening Place: AMCOTTS,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Coy
Mother's Name: Mary Ann

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10984-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 952342

It all looks right to me. The first Sarah Ann Coy born Amcotts, Lincolnshire with parents James and Mary Ann looks like the right one for the 1871 census.

Thanks, MC - but re marriages:

Between 1875 and 1885, FreeBMD doesn't show any marriages anywhere for a John S (or Smith) Power(s) to a Sarah.

There are a few between John Power(s) and a Sarah, but none in likely places.

There are two between John Power and Sarah Ann, but in Chorlton and London.

None between John Powers and Sarah Ann.

Thanks, Mel.

I wish I knew why John called himself Bradley when they married! Just one of those things I'll never know!

Also thanks to you, Ann, for Sarah's christening.

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Bradley Kate Selena Bradford 9b 236

(above as below FMP)

BRADLEY KATE HELENA 1885 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Bradford, Yorkshire, England


Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
BRADLEY Kate H Idle Bradford IDLE/55/82

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/

(if fitting anywhere!)

Chris :)

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
STANLEY James H POWER Sarah A Smethwick, St Matthew Sandwell Register Office 5/5/229

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/

Well now, Kate's birth is very interesting, Chris. No wonder I couldn't find her under Power(s).

It does help to confirm that it's the right marriage.

John and Sarah must have continued to call themselves Bradley for a year or two after marriage, but had reverted to Power(s) before 1891.


ADDED:
So this is likely to be Annie E's birth, as Amcotts is in the Thorne reg district:

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
Bradley Annie Eliza Thorne 9c 731

But John James is registered as Power, so the change back to Power(s) happened 1888-89:

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Power John James Warwick 6d 604


Perhaps the change coincided with their move back to John's home county of Warwickshire.


Both Sarah's husbands were brewery workers. As she married James just over a year after John's death, perhaps the men worked together, and she already knew James Stanley before John's death.


MORE ADDED:
Yes, have checked the 1901 census. The Powers were living at 75 Reynold Street, and James Stanley was living with his brother and sister-in-law at 27 Reynold Street.

Looking at ArgyllGran's 1871 for John, this would seem to be his parents' marr:

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
Lea William Warwick 6d 733
POWER Job Warwick 6d 733
SMITH Harriette Warwick 6d 733
Warner Catharine Warwick 6d 733

A lookup in the local index gets:
Surname: POWER
Forename: Job
Middle Initial:
Year of Marriage: 1852
Reference: 775/WS/C61/3/395/1
District: WARWICK (the Registration District in which the marriage took place)
Spouses Surname(s): SMITH
http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/copycertificates

so Job did wed Harriette, and the C61 in the local ref is probably a code for some local C of E church - there's no key that identifies the church codes on the site that I can see.

Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
Power Job 56 Warwick 6d 319

Thanks, mgnv.
I had checked that out earlier in the hope that Bradley was perhaps Harriet's ms, but no such luck!

Incidentally, just for the record, the birth I posted for John in my OP isn't his.
Here's his christening. An associated birth doesn't appear to be on FreeBMD (Unless I had the right birth, but he wasn't baptised until he was 2.):


John Smith Powers
England Births and Christenings
Name: John Smith Powers
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 03 Oct 1858
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,LEAMINGTON PRIORS,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Job Powers
Mother's Name: Harriet
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J15352-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1067485

The image of the marriage certificate is on Ancestry Warwickshire mariages...do you have access? If not let me know and I'll pm it

Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
COOKE Dinah Thorne 9c 553
COY James Thorne 9c 553
Neal Mary Ann Thorne 9c 553

Again the local index confirms what we expect:
Surname Forename First initial Second initial Maiden name BookNumber EntryNumber
COY James C 3.1 39
NEAL Mary A C 3.1 39
http://www.northlincs.gov.uk/community-advice-and-support/births-deaths-and-marriages/family-history/how-to-apply-for-birth-marriage-or-death-certificates/

[Again, there's no key identifying which CofE church is coded by C3]

Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
Coy Sarah Ann Thorne 9c 491

Now, there's no hit in the 1858 local index, but for 1857 we get:
Full name Sarah A COY
Register number * CR/6
Entry number * 283
so I presume N Lincs, like several local indexes, index by year of birth, not year of registration, so Sarah Ann was prob'ly b Dec 1857.
N Lincs don't decode the subdistrict code, but looking at the 1871 census, it's easy to guess CR = Crowle.

Incidentally, EPW codes for Epworth at the NLincs site, and THORNE codes for Thorne (these last rego's are held at Doncaster, and indexed on the YorksBMD site), these being the other subdistricts in Thorne RD.

This is just a gut feeling

2 years before the Bradley/Coy marriage there is another Bradley/Coy marriage in the same area

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
Bradley John Rose York 9d 117 Scan available - click to view
Coy Annie York 9d 117 Scan available - click to view
Goldsbrough William York 9d 117 Scan available - click to view
Oliver Mary York 9d 117 Scan available - click to view

Did a google and it seems that John Rose Bradley was around 72 whilst Annie was only 20.

Their son was born about 6 months after the marriage, Annie died shortly after the birth and John died shortly after.

Maybe a red herring but it could be worth a look

Hm seems Annie Coy's mother was Jane Coy who was James Coy's sister

You've all been working hard - many thanks!

Hmm - so Annie Coy was Sarah Ann Coy's aunt. Interesting about the Bradley name - not sure what significance it has. Feels as if there should be some link, but maybe it's just coincidence.

Thanks, Jude, I've seen the marriage cert image.

Have to go out, but will mull all this over later.

Just pottering through the records in case anything useful comes to light.
Thinking aloud, really.

John Rose Bradley's birth:

John Rose Bradley
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 2 March 1809
christening: 9 April 1809 CATHEDRAL SAINT PETER,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Bradley
mother: Elizabeth


John Rose Bradley was married to a previous Ann in all the censuses 1851 - 1881.
I assume this is his first wife Ann's death, although the age doesn't quite match her age in censuses:
Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%)
BRADLEY Ann 71 Ecclesall B. 9c 188



1881 England Census about John Rose Bradley
Name: John Rose Bradley
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ann Bradley
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 101 School Rd
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Retired Pocket Knife Horn Scale Presser
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4626
Folio: 107
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rose Bradley 72
Ann Bradley 76

They married in 1847:
Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
BRADLEY John Rose Sheffield 22 469
MACHON Ann Sheffield 22 469

However, in 1851 there are teenage sons listed, who would have been born about 1836 and 1840, so either Ann or John must have been married before:


1851 England Census about John Rose Bradley
Name: John Rose Bradley
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Bradley
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: Crookes
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Piece: 2336
Folio: 206
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rose Bradley 48
Ann Bradley 46
John Bradley 15
William H Bradley 11


This could be him below in 1841, with the children and his mother. His occupation is "presser", which could fit with his occupation in 1881 above; 1851 (horn scale presser); 1861 ( Fancy scale presser); 1871 (horn scale presser):

1841 England Census about John Bradley
Name: John Bradley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield North
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1335
Book: 8
Folio: 15
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bradley 28
Elizth Bradley 70
William Bradley 2
John Bradley 5


Births of son John and a daughter, Lydia. Mother Lydia::

Name: John Bradley
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 06 Feb 1836
Christening Place: LEE CROFT INDEPENDENT,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 07 Jan 1836
Father's Name: John Rose Bradley
Mother's Name: Lydia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08526-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0828156 (RG4 2083-4), 0828156 (RG4 2756)


Name: Lydia Clayton Bradley
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Jul 1834
Christening Place: LEE CROFT INDEPENDENT,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1834
Father's Name: John Rose Bradley
Mother's Name: Lydia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08526-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0828156 (RG4 2083-4), 0828156 (RG4 2756)

Death of John Rose's wife Lydia??

Lydia Bradley
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Lydia Bradley
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1841
Registration District: Sheffield
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Volume: 22
Page: 443
Line Number: 33

And possibly the death of daughter Lydia??

Lydia Bradley
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Lydia Bradley
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1838
Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, England
Volume: 22
Page: 75
Line Number: 8

Well, all very interesting, but no clue as to why John Smith Power called himself John Power Bradley!

I wonder if John Rose Bradley had some sort of business that John Smith Powers took over or perhaps he went to live in John Bradley's house.

Good thought, Claire.

Because of the link between John Rose's wife Annie, and John Power's wife Sarah, it would certainly seem that JP added Bradley to his name for some reason connected to JR - too much of a coincidence otherwise.

Possibly not a business reason - JR was a pen-knife maker/horn presser, and JP (at least from 1891 onwards) was a brewer's drayman. He might, of course, have had to find a new occupation when JR died.

In the 1827 Sheffield Directory, John Rose Bradley, at 9 Carver Street; is listed as "horn, bone, hoof, tip, buck, stag, and foreign wood dealer and presser".
(Page 106 in this link:
http://tinyurl.com/kdq3svd )

On page 8 in this link, he's listed as bankrupt, 6th April 1838.
http://tinyurl.com/lfarhtf

Still can't find JP in 1881, which might give a clue.

But we'll never know!

Many thanks again to all who have helped with this puzzle.