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1 Mar 2015 21:21 |
death of samuel Fellman age 0 dec 1892 age 1 born 4th quarter of 1891 + Isreal age 0 1894 can't find corresponding birth quite likely to be Samuel Lazarus + Sana/jane's other dead children
Can't find any other records Of Barius?Barnet Jacob Fellman's' Children ; but it's a good indication that Barnet+ wife + children came to GB from Russia the same year as the rest of the family . How old was Adolf at school enrollment 1891
He was in USA by 1899 but his children could have been with their mothers family in 1903 Annie +isreal would still have thier father's name on school enrollment
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27 Feb 2015 22:36 |
Barnets's children's names don't correspond with that USA one .
There are also 2 David Fellman's neither had children one married Sadi froelick in 1920 the other is a machinist in 1940 aged 55 living with nephew jack Gossman+ sister Ida (no other indication that this is our Gertrude ).
regarding Jeanie/sena's 3 dead children possibly the Golde + Taube who died in Prestwich early 1900's were hers lazurus/samuel's 1st wife also died a few months after she had an unnamed baby who died soon after birth . Could his 11 siblings not have included his 3 half sisters (Tilly,Gertrude + Esther)
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30 Dec 2014 19:39 |
yes they are definitely siblings 2 of Barnet's children Annie + Isreal come up enrolled in schools in Manchester Jews school 1903 living at nightinglae St father Jacob Feldman transcribed as Barious J Fellman on one original also ther is an adolf enrolled in 1891 father's name Bari illegibe Fellman He must have come over with his aunts + uncles because Barnet Jacob Fellman had more children in Russia
also a little Adolf feldman Ithink I've put it in my keepsafe but dont know how to send to you
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30 Dec 2014 09:27 |
Another piece of jigsaw https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M5QW-LDH Barnet
I think this is eldest brother who stayed in russia through 1890's because married with children of his own
emigrated straight to USA in 1903 to prepare way for his siblings then his father
I wonder if he transitted thru liverpool +EDIT not our Barnet who was at 478 myrtle av from 1903 + in later census
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29 Dec 2014 20:04 |
FROM ROOTS CHAT :I'm pretty sure that you're right about Samuel L Fellman and family. Jane was a common anglicization of the Yiddish name Sheina/Sheyna. If you pronounce the J in a French manner, you can begin to understand why.
Moreover, Gore's 1902 directory of Cheshire lists the dress maker Mrs Seine Fellman at 36 Price Road, Birkenhead.
There are large gaps in the vital records for Jakobstadt; the birth records for the years 1868 to 1876 have not survived.
However, I did stumble across the following marriage record:
30 March 1889 Dvinsk/Dunaburg Leizer-Mendel Felman, widower of Jakobstadt and Sheina, daughter of Ruvin Landman, aged 22
This begs the question, was Sheina the sister of Leizer-Mendel's first wife? " "
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29 Dec 2014 19:17 |
My ggfather is listed in 1920 hospital admissions as being 2nd of 12 siblings ,2 dead here are the children name varients and dates of birth registrations in jakobpils with 1st wife Gies -Ada (Edith) ;
1. Rebecca 1870-1960 2.George Jacob /george/ geo j 1871-1924 3 Dvora 1879-died 1880 4 Mera /mary /may 1880 31st dec 5 Bera Betsy Bessie 16th feb 1882 6 Aaron mottel 1883-died 1884 7sora sarah celia 30th may 1885 8 david 6 nov 1886 with 2nd wife sheina /jane /jeannie
9 Taube 1890- died 1891 10 Khaya 17th april 1891 Tilly /Matilda
11 gertrude golde gertz b cheetham Lancs UK 1892 12 Esther / Ester /estelle b cheetham 1897
but maybe Barnet born approx 1872 is number 3 and little half sister Taube was not counted
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29 Dec 2014 18:57 |
I only know of 1 child who died that Samuel + jane had together Taube born in Jacoppils 1890 died as an infant in prestwich 1891 maybe she had 2 other children before she married ..Samuel this could explain the mysterious Barnet now showing up when I'd already accounted for 11 names all of My GGftaher's siblings ;maybe he has a different father
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29 Dec 2014 18:27 |
Celie Devine seems more likely than Celia Frank as in 1930 her daughter Edith was staying with at park st Tupper lake Franklin NY with aunt Estelle Clifford + family in 1930 census
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29 Dec 2014 18:24 |
Ah! That makes sense then. So Jennie had 6 children and 3 of them had died.
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29 Dec 2014 18:21 |
that 1910 census contains anomolies but actually the last bit makes sense if The 3 children are the 3 children the couple had together ; matilda Gertrude + lestraube (Esther) Bessie + Celia(Sarah) 's mother was Geis-Eda (Edith ) who died in 1889
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29 Dec 2014 18:07 |
Maybe?
Charles S Frank GENDER: Male MARRIAGE DATE: 4 Jun 1911 MARRIAGE PLACE: Manhattan, New York, USA SPOUSE: Celia Fellman CERTIFICATE NUMBER: 13336 Purchase Certificate
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NAME: Celia Frank AGE: 29 BIRTH YEAR: abt 1891 BIRTHPLACE: Russia HOME IN 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 17, New York, New York STREET: St Nicholas Ave RACE: White GENDER: Female IMMIGRATION YEAR: 1897 RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Wife MARITAL STATUS: Married SPOUSE'S NAME: Charles Frank FATHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Russia MOTHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Russia NATIVE TONGUE: Yiddish ABLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH: Yes OCCUPATION: None NATURALIZATION STATUS: Naturalized NEIGHBORS: View others on page HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Charles Frank 38 Celia Frank 29 Ruth Frank 7 Irving Frank 3 [3 3/12]
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29 Dec 2014 17:59 |
Bessie Fellman Ness CEMETERY: Beth Joseph Cemetery BURIAL OR CREMATION PLACE: Franklin County, New York, USA
Bessie Ness SSN: 092-05-8800 LAST RESIDENCE: 10023 New York, New York, New York, USA BORN: 15 Jun 1882 LAST BENEFIT: 10023, New York, New York, New York, United States of America DIED: Feb 1980 STATE (YEAR) SSN ISSUED: New York (Before 1951)
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29 Dec 2014 17:52 |
Bessie Fellman GENDER: Female MARRIAGE DATE: 26 Jan 1913 MARRIAGE PLACE: Kings, New York, USA SPOUSE: Ely Ness CERTIFICATE NUMBER: 961
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29 Dec 2014 17:50 |
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Bessie Fellman AGE IN 1910: 23 BIRTH YEAR: abt 1887 BIRTHPLACE: Russia HOME IN 1910: Brooklyn Ward 21, Kings, New York RACE: White GENDER: Female IMMIGRATION YEAR: 1905 RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Daughter MARITAL STATUS: Single FATHER'S NAME: Samuel Fellman FATHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Russia MOTHER'S NAME: Jennie Fellman MOTHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Russia NEIGHBORS: View others on page HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Samuel Fellman 35 [55] Jennie Fellman 42 Bessie Fellman 23 Celia Fellman 21 Matilda Fellman 16 b. England Gertrude Fellman 15 b. England Lestrbe Fellman 11 b. England
Others born Russis. All have immigration year as 1905. States married 28 years 6 children born 3 living. Can't quite follow that one as the census is showing 5 daughters there...... unless some of them have died but they listed them anyway?
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29 Dec 2014 17:48 |
1920 West Harris Street Savannah, Chatham, Georgia
Elis Ness 42 Born Russia. Bessie Ness 40 Born Russia. Pearl Ness 6 Augusta Ness 3 years and 5 months. Jennie Ness 2 years 1 month
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29 Dec 2014 17:47 |
a 1920 census has Eli ness + bess born in russia children in NY
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29 Dec 2014 17:35 |
1925 - all except Samuel born US
Samuel Fellman BIRTH DATE: abt 1853 BIRTH PLACE: Russia AGE: 72 GENDER: Male RESIDENCE PLACE: Altamont, Franklin RELATIONSHIP: Father COLOUR OR RACE: White NUMBER OF YEARS IN US: 40 ASSEMBLY DISTRICT: 01 LINE NUMBER: 41 PAGE NUMBER: 23 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Eli Ness 39 Bessie Ness 36 Pearl Ness 12 Augusta Ness 09 Jeanette Ness 07 Louis Ness 05 Samuel Fellman
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29 Dec 2014 17:17 |
there are some connections from american census but I haven't viewed originals Bessie Ness had father Samuel Fellman with her family on 1925 Franklin cenus
Estelle (Esther) Fellman is staying with her aunt May Ginsberg in 1920 in tupperlake
Estelle clifford has neice Edith Devine born NY staying in 1930 Tupper lake NY jack Clifford comes up as a shop proprietor in 1940
There is a David Fellman aged 55 staying with nephew jack Gossman + his sister Ida he is machinist in a jewellery dept store which fits with his earlier proffesion as watchmaker .
Barnett may also have previously or subsequently had a different first name
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29 Dec 2014 17:05 |
How do i check that May Ginsberg ,Bessie Ness , Celie Devine, Ida Gossman, Estelle fellman are siblings to David + Barnett Fellman ?
A Brooklyn 1910 census has Samuel +Jeannie FELLMAN aged 42 ,living with Bessie , Celia , Matilda aged 16,Gertrude aged 15 + Lestraube aged 11
I'm sure this is the same family who are in liverpool 1901 listed as Samuel aged 46 ,children May ,Bessie, Sarah ,David , 2nd wife Jane(Sheina) and their children;Tilly, Gertrude (Golde)+ Esther + In 1905 on boats their names are given as "Samuel ,Sana Sarah ,Tilly, Gertie and Ester ; David , Bessie + may all seem to have made the crossing individually in 1904 + 1905 to join an elder brother Barnet
GB school records + trade directories + census addresses helped me fill in gaps between 1891 +1901 and gave alternative names for father as Samuel al lazurus and Mendel
His hebrew name was Leizer-mendel Above children were baptised as Mera. Bassa Sore. David ,Taube +.Khaya in Russia Gertrude may have been registered at birth as Golde in Prestwich Ester is alternatively Esther in GB can any super sleuths confirm if their names change again in USA ? is Sarah now Celie /Celia Devine who has Tilly /Matilda become ? + did gertrude /getrtz become Ida GOSSMAN
were Gertrude + Tilly registered at a school in brooklyn before they became "sales ladies" was Esther registered as Estelle
do any of their marriages or deaths give fathers name .? I
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