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Catherine
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1 Jan 2015 16:55 |
Just to add to rootgather's postings:-
NAME: Caroline Estope AGE: 7 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1854 RELATION: Granddaughter GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: Bishbury, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Ercall Magna TOWN: Ercall Magna COUNTY/ISLAND: Shropshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS: REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Wellington SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Ercall Magna ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 5 NEIGHBORS: View others on page HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 23 PIECE: 1896 FOLIO: 45 PAGE NUMBER: 7 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE William Gale 61 - Shepherd Ann Gale 52 Caroline Estope 7
Possible????
NAME: Caroline Easthope GENDER: Female BAPTISM DATE: 12 Oct 1855 BAPTISM PLACE: St. Peter's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England FATHER: Richard Easthope MOTHER: Maria FHL FILM NUMBER: 1040895 REFERENCE ID: item 4 p 161
...........but here again we need the marriage cert. to find out father's name.
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2015 16:52 |
I noticed all those too rootgatherer but wasn't sure as the child in 1891 census is noted as Ethel and not Edith so didn't post?
We really need to know what the marriage cert. says to be sure, but they do all seem to fit, although I couldn't find a suitable marriage for Caroline either?
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30 Dec 2014 23:31 |
Maybe?
1871
Caroline Easthope AGE: 17 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1854 RELATION: Granddaughter GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: Coven Heath, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Ercall Magna TOWN: High Ercall COUNTY/ISLAND: Shropshire COUNTRY: England REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Wellington SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Ercall Magna ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 5 HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 36 PIECE: 2805 FOLIO: 43 PAGE NUMBER: 6 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE William Gale 71 Ann Gale 63 Caroline Easthope 17 William Yenbrey 25
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30 Dec 2014 23:06 |
Edith Gertrude Whitehouse REGISTRATION YEAR: 1873 REGISTRATION QUARTER: Oct-Nov-Dec REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Penkridge INFERRED COUNTY: Staffordshire VOLUME: 6b PAGE: 449
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30 Dec 2014 23:01 |
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Edith Gertrude Whitehouse AGE IN 1911: 37 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1874 RELATION TO HEAD: Servant GENDER: Female BIRTH PLACE: Fordhouses, Bushbury, Staffordshire CIVIL PARISH: Heath COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS: Baden Villa, Wolverhampton Road, New Cross, Heath Town MARITAL STATUS: Single REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Wolverhampton REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 369 SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Willenhall ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 1 HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 169 PIECE: 17083 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Ann Mason 66 Edith Gertrude Whitehouse
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30 Dec 2014 22:59 |
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Edith G Whitehouse AGE: 27 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1874 RELATION TO HEAD: Niece GENDER: Female BIRTH PLACE: Bushbury, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Bushbury ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Bushbury St Mary and Essington COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS:
OCCUPATION:
CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:
EDUCATION:
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View image REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Cannock SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Brewood ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 21 NEIGHBORS: View others on page PIECE: 2661 FOLIO: 94 PAGE NUMBER: 27 HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 185 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Harriet Daw 65 Henry E Daw 32 Edith G Whitehouse 27 May Piggott 19 Carrie Faulkner 13 Richard Timms 32 Save & create tree Cancel
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30 Dec 2014 22:54 |
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Caroline Whitehouse AGE: 27 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1854 RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD: Granddaughter GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: Bushbury, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Bushbury COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS: Stafford Rd EDUCATION:
EMPLOYMENT STATUS:
View image OCCUPATION: Letter Carrier (S M) REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Cannock SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Brewood ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 14 NEIGHBORS: View others on page PIECE: 2782 FOLIO: 32 PAGE NUMBER: 2 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE William Gale 81, b. Worcester, Deaf Caroline Whitehouse 27 Edith G. Whitehouse 7 Great Granddaughter
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Catherine
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30 Dec 2014 22:05 |
Just to go back to the missing child:-
You state that Henry and Caroline married in 1889:- Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%) Dabbs Henry Cannock 6b 683 WHITEHOUSE Caroline Cannock 6b 683
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Ethel Ann was born:- Births Jun 1890 (>99%) Dabbs Ethel Ann Cannock 6b 486
....................but if you go back and take a look at 1891 census there is another child called Ethel who is 10yrs old so born abt. 1881 before the couple were married, so she is either the illegitimate daughter of Caroline, her daughter from a previous marriage, or she could also be the daughter of Henry.
Can't see a birth for an Ethel Dabbs, but there are two possible births for an Ethel Whitehouse:-
Births Jun 1880 (>99%) WHITEHOUSE Ethel Mary W.Bromwich 6b 884 Births Jun 1882 (>99%) Whitehouse Ethel Phoebe E W. Bromwich 6b 836
Do you have the marriage certificate, this should note if Whitehouse was her maiden name or if she had been married before?
Do you have any other info about Caroline before the marriage?
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brigid
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30 Dec 2014 19:50 |
or you can pay the relevant archive office to do some of the initial work for you ; it saves a lot of time + cost if you don't need the original documents each time . they charge per hour but do the work much quicker than amatuers
but doing it yourself is fun
you may see a family connection on an eadjoining page that a professional researcher could miss . happy hunting : let us know how you get on
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30 Dec 2014 19:48 |
or you can payb the archive office to do some of the initial work for you ; it saves a lot of time + cost if you don't need the original documents each time . they charge per hour but do the work much quicker than amatuers
but doing it yourself is fun = you may see a family connection on an eadjoining page that a professional researcher may miss .
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30 Dec 2014 11:39 |
No Argyllgran, I am so sorry I completely missed that post for some reason!!! Thank you! Caroline on one of the posts it mentioned Caroline on the 1911 census as having 2 children, where did you find this record and do you have the names of both children?
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30 Dec 2014 11:05 |
Have you discounted the death record I posted earlier? (See post dated 28 Dec @ 17:12)
If you mean the exact address, you'd have to buy a copy of the death cert from GRO, quoting the Volume and Page numbers given in my post. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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30 Dec 2014 10:50 |
Well that actually sounds like fun!!!! So Birmingham Archives it is then!!
Would I be able to find out where she died online or would that be the Archives too??
Kind regards
Sarah
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30 Dec 2014 10:45 |
Admission dates aren't on line - you'll have to contact the relevant archive for the Asylum/WH records.
Sometimes research had to be done the old fashioned way, by pouring over dusty ledgers! :-D
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30 Dec 2014 10:31 |
Hi,
Yes you have the right Caroline Dabbs nee Whitehouse if she married Henry dabs and had a daughter Ethel Ann Dabbs. Although I did notice that one record showed another child? I have no record of another child she may have had and I have never heard the family mention it. Isuppose its not beyond the realms of possibility Does anyone have an admissions date for her? I suppose the only thing I can do is to go and visit the Birmingham Archives myself.
So where do I go from here?
Thank you so much for all your help,
Kind regards
Sarah Adams nee Capewell
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Cynthia
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29 Dec 2014 11:59 |
Hello Sarah and welcome to the Community boards.
(I'll let Sarah know how to find her replies) :-)
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Jacqueline
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28 Dec 2014 21:50 |
Connected thread
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1347910
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28 Dec 2014 17:24 |
The following thread discusses where people who died in the WH/Asylum might be buried http://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=35299
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28 Dec 2014 17:21 |
This site may be of interest to you
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Aston
At the end of the page it says that the records are held at Birmingham Archives and Heritage Centre http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/archivesandheritage
Either visit or contact them to search their discharge records. They will make a charge if you can't go in person. They may still hold her file which could make poignant reading.
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Catherine
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28 Dec 2014 17:19 |
This link will give you a bit of information on the workhouse:-
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Aston/
On other web sites where people have been trying to find out about admissions to Birmingham Workhouses it has been suggested that they contact Birmingham Library as it would seem that, that is where the archives are kept.
Good luck, hope you find what you are looking for.
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