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Hi for the last 10yrs I have been trying to find out what happened to my great grand father. He was born Ticehurst Sussex 1878. Moved to Lyminge near Folkestone with family to the NEW INN pub. Met Emily Edith Wright in Folkestone married at local Parish church. I think he lied about his age ... 20 but 21 on marriage cert. Had 3 children Edgar I G bn1899-1955 / Reginald H bn1905-1977 / George H J bn1909-1986. George's parents were George H bn1855-1934 Goudhurst Kent / Mary Ann Oliver bn 1857 Ticehurst Kent. ( Disappeared when Grandad was very young - think he died not sure - info from dad ) Researched lots of George Butlers but none with a connection. I would love to know where he died & when or help with where to apply to ask? Thanks Rosy

Have you found him in 1911 census?

Here he is in 1901, for our reference:


1901 England Census about George H J Bulter
Name: George H J Bulter
[George H J Butler]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emily E Bulter
Birth Place: Ticehurst, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 846
Folio: 158
Page Number: 51
Household schedule number: 390
Household Members:
Name Age
George H J Bulter 21
Emily E Bulter 22
Edgar G E Bulter 1

Emily and the children are boarders in 1911, so presumably George "disappeared" between 1901 and 1911. Emily is listed as married, not widowed:


1911 England Census about Edgar Butler
Name: Edgar Butler
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Folkestone, Kent
Civil Parish: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 52 Garden Road, Folkestone
Registration district: Elham
Registration District Number: 66
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 4642
Household Members:
Name Age
Rose Olive Sharp 56
Mary Agnes Sharp 19
Phebe Rye 76
Emily Butler 34
Edgar Butler 11
Reganal Butler 6
George Butler 2

Looks like he was George Thomas



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920


Name:George Thomas Butler

Gender:Male

Birth Date:abt 1878

Age at Enlistment:37

Marriage Place:
St John's Church Lockestone Kent

Residence Place:24 Hercules Road, Holloway N

Document Year:1915

Regimental Number:515246

Other Regimental Numbers:212116

Regiment Name:Royal Engineers

Number of Images:15

Form Title:Short Service Attestation


Family Members:


Name

Relation to Soldier


George Thomas Butler Self (Head)
Emily Wright Spouse
George John Butler Child
Edgar Butler Child




Births Jun 1879

Butler George Thomas J Ticehurst 2b 102

On the service record it also has NOK, unmarried wife, Dor* Annie Simmons and two children: Patricia Kathleen 1912 and Nance Eileen 1914

Had another read, Emily Butler has been crossed out. Looks like the couple went their own way


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915


Name:Nance E Butler

Mother's Maiden Name:Simmons

Registration Year:1914

Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar

Registration district:Islington


Inferred County:London

Volume:1b

Page:318

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name:Patricia K Butler

Mother's Maiden Name:Simmons

Registration Year:1912

Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec

Registration district:Hastings

Inferred County:Sussex

Volume:2b

Page:57

Enlisted 11/12/1915
Age : 37 yrs 8 months
Address : 24 Hercules Road, Holloway.

Discharged 11/2/1919
Address : 25 Grafton Road, Holloway.

His Next of Kin is written as “Emily Butler“, crossed out and replaced by “ Miss Doris Annie Simmons” “(Woman living with)”

Written on one of the forms : Children
Patricia 25/9/12
Connie Nance 26/1/14
Philip George 15/2/15
Kenneth …… 25/7/16

21 August 1915 - Folkestone, Hythe, Sandgate & Cheriton Herald

Marriage
BUTLER—SINSTADT - 16th August, at St. John the Baptist, West Wickham, by the Rev. H. Bertie Roberts, Rector, Ernest, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. Butler, the New Inn, Lyminge, to Emma Eliza, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Sinstadt, 16, St. .John’s-road Folkestone.

Chris :)


Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Butler Ernest Sinstadt Bromley 2a 1683
Butter Ernest Linstedt Bromley 2a 1683
Butter Ernest Linstadt Bromley 2a 1683
Linstadt Emma E Butler Bromley 2a 1683
Linstedt Emma E Butler Bromley 2a 1683
Sinstadt Emma E Butler Bromley 2a 1683
Sinstedt Emma E Butler Bromley 2a 1683


1901 (Find My Past)
George Butler Head Married Male 47 1854 Farmer & Publican Goudhurst, Kent, England
Ernest Butler Son Single Male 7 1894 - Lyminge, Kent, England
Bertie Butler Son Single Male 12 1889 - Goudhurst, Kent, England
John Butler - Single Male 14 1887 - Goudhurst, Kent, England
Edith Austin Servant Single Female 25 1876 General Servant (Domestic) Kennington, Kent, England
William Irvine Boarder Single Male 49 1852 General Labourer Ruckinge, Kent, England
Street Eachendhill (The New Inn)
Town Eachendhill
Parish Lyminge
County Kent
Registration district Elham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 852
Folio 49
Page 16


1911 (Find My Past)
Ernest Butler Boarder Single Male 18 1893 Lyminge Etchny Hill Kent Potman
Address 2 Radnor Place Folkestone
Parish Folkestone
County Kent
Registration district Elham
Census reference RG14PN4625 RD66 SD1 ED2 SN483

Chris :)


In 1890 Silas sold it to George Butler, a carrier for the parish of Etchinghill. He remained here until his death in 1928, whereby his son, Ernest, took over the licence. On his death in 1944, his wife Emma Eliza Butler (possibly known as Rene) took over the licence until her death in 1965. Her son, William Marden (possibly known as Sammy), took over the tenancy, remaining here until 1975. The licence was not transferred to William (Bill) Marden until some years later when he sold to William E. Lipka

http://www.dover-kent.com/New-Inn-Etchinghill.html

(from google search)


County Kent
Place Kilndown
Church Christchurch Tr
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 06 Mar 1875
GroomForename George
GroomSurname Butler
BrideForename Mary Anne
BrideSurname Oliver

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


25 September 1926 - Folkestone, Hythe, Sandgate & Cheriton Herald
RETURN THANKS.

Butler - The widow and relatives of the late Mr. John Harry Butler, of the New Inn, Etchinghill, desire to express their thanks for all the kind sympathy extended to them in their great bereavement. They particularly desire also to express their gratitude to Dr. J. J. Wallace for his unremitting attention and kindness. They also thank all those who sent beautiful flowers.


20 June 1930 - Kent & Sussex Courier - Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England

Wedding
A pretty wedding was solemnised at Hawkhurst on wednesday, the contracting parties being Miss Phyllis Goodwin, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Goodwin, and Mr. Reginald Herbert John Butler, second son of the late Mr. George Butler and Mrs. Butler, of Folkestone. The bride, given away by her mother, was attired in white silk, with veil, and wreath of orange blossom, and carried a sheaf of white lilies.


Marriages Jun 1930 (>99%)
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Butler Reginald H J Goodwin Cranbrook 2a 2408

It seems strange that George Henry John Butler becomes George Thomas Butler!

hi
emily edith wright married henry george j butler in 1899 in elham

there is a george thomas j butler born in 1879

but no george henry j born that year or 1880

he must have changed his middle name seems odd

yvonne

This looks like George Thomas' father in 1911


Name:George Butler

Age in 1911:55

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856

Relation to Head:Head

Gender:Male

Birth Place:Goudhurst, Kent

Civil Parish:Lyminge

County/Island:Kent

Country:England

Street address:New Inn Eachrnd Hill, Lyminge S O, Kent

Marital Status:Married

Occupation:Licensed Victualler Fly Grazier

Registration district:Elham

Registration District Number:66
Sub-registration district:Elham
ED, institution, or vessel:4
Household schedule number:178

Piece:4656

Household Members:


George Butler 55
Harry Ann Butler 54 <<<Mary Ann
Herbert Butler 22
Gertrude Nickel 23
William Booth 63

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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:George Butler of The New Inn

Probate Date:8 May 1934

Death Date:5 Apr 1934

Death Place:Kent, England

Registry:London, England

Probate to: Thomas William Butler £139 18s 3d

Thanks for all the info. Yes it does look like he changed his middle name from Thomas to Henry. Will look in to Emily Wright name been crossed out & changed to Doris Simmons. Thanks again for the help...
Rosy