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The 1911 census says they had 10 children, 7 living and 3 had died. I can't seem to find one of their children by birth or death.

I have:-

Emma 1883 - 1883******Died before the 1911
James 1884
Eliza 1886
Emma 1888
William 1890 - 1909*******Died before the 1911
Caroline M 1892 - 1918 Married
Joseph Henry 1893
Margret 1896
Richard 1897

All the children were born in Hackney.

I have most of their baptisms their father being a Tin Plate Worker Employer or a Lamp Maker or Railway Lamp Maker or Tin Man.

1911 Census
Name: James Beech
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 756 Forest Rd, Walthamstow
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Tin man
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 9706
Household Members:
Name Age
James Beech 48
Eliza Mary Beech 46
Eliza Beech 25
Emma Beech 23
Caroline Beech 19
Joseph Henery Beech 17
Margret Beech 15
Richard Beech 13

I have all other info going back to 1700 and something but I woudl just like to find this other child as my aunt has asked me. This is her grandfather James Beech 1863.

Thanks to anyone who may find this child.

My mistake Emma 1883 and James 1885 were born in Bethnal Green.

hi
could not find birth in essex for richard 1897 but found one in wolverhampton there was a twin brother thomas who died 1897 could this be who you were looking for
perhaps the family moved there for work hope this helps

yvonne

Good try Yvonne but isn't this more likely to be Richard's birth ?? (No twin!)


Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
BEECH Richard Hackney 1b 575

Dea x

Emma 1883 on below (Manor Park Cemetery)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


(not seeing anything Abney Park)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abneypark/abneyy.html

Chris :)

(you probably have below from Ancestry, London Baptisms, somebody added correction)

James Beeck
[James Beech]
9 Nov 1884 Bethnal Green St Jude Tower Hamlets James Beeck, Eliza Beeck
(Born 15 Oct 1884, father, Tin Plate Worker, abode 10 Cambridge Road)

The gap seems to be between Joseph Henry (or Henry Joseph) 1893 and Margaret 1896.

have you looked at

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
Beech Albert Samuel Hackney 1b 593

Births Sep 1895
Beech Matilda Elizabeth Hackney 1b 599

These seem to be the only two biologically possible births in that time scale.

*** Albert Samuel died in the December quarter of the year of his birth.
Deaths Dec 1895
Beech Albert Samuel 0 Hackney 1b 391

Albert Samuel Beech
21 Apr 1895 South Hackney Christ Church Hackney *Samuel Beech,
Jane Beech

(for one above)

Chris :)

edits (not seeing other!)

Name: Florence Ellen Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1888
Father's Name: James Beech -sole joiner
Mother's name: Elizabeth Beech
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Address: 59 Well Street
Register Type: Parish Registers

They were living in Well Street for Caroline, William & Henry Joseph's birth too:

Caroline Matilda Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1892
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's name: Eliza Beech
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Address: 15 Well Street

Name: William Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1890
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's name: Eliza Beech
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Hackney

Name: Henry Joseph Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jul 1893
Father's Name: James Beech, Lamp amker
Mother's name: Eliza Beech
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Hackney
Address: 15 Well Street

EDIT: Unsure if correct as Emma was also baptised 1888 but different address given

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/trying_to_find/george%20james%20beech/thread/1215236?d=asc

(just to add, Dea found some on above)

Chris :)

There are unacknowledged postings on the thread highlighted above, which may have the answer to this request

1891 (Find My Past)
James Beech Head Married Male 27 1864 Sole Sewer Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England
Elizabeth M A Beech Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex
George I Beech Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Louisa E Beech Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Florence H Beech Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Street Rayner Street
Parish Hackney
County London
Registration district
Hackney
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 195
Folio 80
Page 23


(think the Florence Ellen is above?, occ. Sole Sewer perhaps on Baptism)


Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
BEECH Florence Helen Hackney 1b 573


Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Beech James Shoreditch 1c 227
Cooper Elizabeth Mary A Shoreditch 1c 227

Chris :)

(is this Son James, not sure if you have?)

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
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BEECH James W. Ham 4a 321
BOWTER Jane W. Ham 4a 321


1911 (Find My Past)
James Beech Head Married Male 26 1885 Bethnal Green Journeymans Lamp Maker
Jane Beech Wife Married Female 26 1885 Bethnal Green
Ivy Jane Beech Daughter Female 3 1908 Walthamstow
James Beech Son Male 2 1909 Walthamstow
Gladys Emily Beech Daughter Female 0 1911 Walthamstow
Elizabeth Steel Aunt Married Female 65 1846 Bethnal Green
Address 48 Mersey Road Forest Road Walthamstow
Parish Walthamstow
County Essex
Registration district West Ham
Census reference RG14PN9715 RG78PN514A RD188 SD10 ED41 SN122

Hi all this is the first time I have had a chance to get back to this thread. Thanks for all your replies.
Sorry for not getting on here sooner.

Now I know I am getting old!!!!!!! I had completely forgotten about the thread I put up in 2010 but I had mum very ill then and she died that year a little later on.

Yes to Emma 1883 who died I had found that one and also William died in 1909 so he would'nt be on the 1911. I shall have to look into the ones that Beverly put up Matilda Elizabeth Beech sounds good to me as someone in this family had a middle name of Matilda.

I also found James birth and baptism last night and I had him born 1885 when it was in fact 1884 he was born in Oct and baptised in Nov I think.

Also I now have a sub for the baptisms which I did'nt have in 2010.

James the father was always a Tin Plate worker of some kind and my grandfather Richard was the youngest son and he too was a Tin Plate Man.

Oh took me out today and the pooter is still playing up but I am here now.

Thanks once again for all your replies, your all stars.. :-D

Thanks also to Dea who helped me on the first thread I put up. <3

Have looked up Albert Samuel Beech and his parents were Samuel and Jane so not that one but he did die the same year.

Mel - this is the MOST EXCRUCIATING thing about the 1911 census!! I have several missing births/deaths....and have spent all too many £9.25 on punts! I have a very old thread called "Don't you just hate the 1911 census?"!

Jude

Morning all and thanks foro that Jude. I know it can be very annoying but as they had most of their children baptised perhaps this unknown one did'nt live long enough. You just don't know do you? Perhaps it was born dead and they just counted it as a birth but it did'nt get a cert. It could have been a prem when born.

I would just like to thank you all who looked for me. I always say two heads are better than one but in this case it was many heads are better than one.

James, my gt grandfather died in 1911 when my grandad was 14 and 7 years later grandads mum died and one of his sisters too. I have gt grandads gold watch and his diamond ring passed to me by my mum so he is quite special to me the James that I never knew.