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17 Dec 2014 16:50 |
This looks like daughter Agnes's birth.
Agnes Davis REGISTRATION YEAR: 1901 REGISTRATION QUARTER: Jul-Aug-Sep REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Exeter INFERRED COUNTY: Devon VOLUME: 5b PAGE: 71
Not seeing Robert and Mary in 1901 yet.
The Robert who is with mother Elizabeth in 1891 doesn't seem to be with her in 1901.
I don't know if other helpers would agree but with nothing else obvious, I would be tempted to buy Elizabeth Bastin's marriage certificate to checkout the age and occupation of the John Davis that she married.
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17 Dec 2014 07:32 |
Wow - thankyou all. Much to be looking through and digesting.
Rootgatherer apologies for not coming back to you sooner but I need to ask my daughter to assist with the boards so have to wait until she is free to post for me.
Re Robert Davies he married Mary Carpenter in Exeter in 1899 (NOT 1889 sorry typo).
The information that he was born in Torquay is shown on the 1911 census (Cardiff 18 Gough Street) we believe this is him as details of their children (names, ages and places of birth match those we know about bar one John, who we believe may have died early).
Once again many, many thanks for all the help being new to this.
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16 Dec 2014 19:31 |
Found these but don't know if they are connected!! ??
???? Baptism: 10 Jan 1883 St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Lancashire, England Robert Davies - [Child] of John Davies & Mary Abode: 4 house 5 Court Curzon Street Occupation: Porter Baptised by: Ernest J. A. FitzRoy Register: Baptisms 1880 - 1891, Page 23, Entry 183 Source: LDS Film 1545846
Baptism: 10 Jan 1883 St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Davies - [Child] of John Davies & Mary Abode: 4 house 5 Court Curzon Street Occupation: Porter Baptised by: Ernest J. A. FitzRoy Register: Baptisms 1880 - 1891, Page 23, Entry 184 Source: LDS Film 1545846
Baptism: 16 Sep 1885 St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Lancashire, England Samuel Davies - [Child] of John Davies & Mary Abode: 3 Low Wood Street Occupation: Porter Baptised by: W. J. Adams Register: Baptisms 1880 - 1891, Page 48, Entry 382 Source: LDS Film 1545846
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16 Dec 2014 16:08 |
I have just read a newspaper article in the Liverpool Mercury dated 29 May 1877. John Davies 23 a porter was charged with Catherine Tunsey 22 no occupation, Thomas Williams 22, James Burke 23 and Thomas Riley 22 all Labourers of robbing a German Emigrant Joseph Niemann of his purse containing 12 thalers and other goods, the money and property of Joseph Niemann. However, it states that John Davies was aquitted but all the othes were sentenced to 10 years as they had had previous convictions.
So, sadly, it looks like this is possibly not the John Davies we are looking for
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16 Dec 2014 11:41 |
Home Office: Calendar of prisons
First name(s) John
Last name Davies
Age 23
Occupation Porter
Birth year 1854
Year 1877
Session commencing day 25 Session commencing month May
Place Lancashire
Court Liverpool
Victim's first name(s)/alias Joseph Victim's last name Nie- Mann
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140 Piece number 38 Folio number - Page number -
Record set Crime, Prisons & Punishment Category Institutions & organisations Record collection Prison registers Collections from Great Britain
Tried on 28th May 1877 - Larceny from the person after a previous conviction (23rd August 1876 - stealing a watch) -
Sentenced to 10 years imprisonment
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16 Dec 2014 10:22 |
For our ref.
John Davies Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relationship to Head: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Lidford County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: "Her Majesty Convict Prison"Princetown Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Porter & Hawker Registration district: Tavistock Sub registration district: Tavistock ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Convict Prison Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2219 Folio: 114 Page Number: 24
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16 Dec 2014 00:26 |
Elizabeth Bastin Registration Year: 1876 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Exeter Inferred County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 187
Records on Page: Name Elizabeth Bastin John Davis Tryphena Henson Henry Roberts
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16 Dec 2014 00:25 |
Wondering about this one?
1881
Name: Robert Davis Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relationship to Head: Grandson Mother: Elizabeth Davis Gender: Male Where born: Exeter, Devon, England Civil Parish: Exeter St Mary Steps County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: 6 Haris Bldgs Commercial Road Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Exeter Sub registration district: Exeter Western ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2154 Folio: 47 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Henry Bastin 57 Rosina Bastin 56 Sarah J. Bastin 10 Elizabeth Davis 25 Married, Rag Sorter Bessy Davis 4 Robert Davis 3
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16 Dec 2014 00:17 |
Is this your Grandfather please?
1911
Name: Robert Davies Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Civil Parish: Cardiff County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 18 Gough St Cardiff Marital Status: Married Years Married: 12 Estimated Marriage Year: 1899 Occupation: Wood Lawyer <<Wood Sawyer on image Registration district: Cardiff Registration District Number: 588 Sub-registration district: Central Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 153 Piece: 32117 Household Members: Name Age Robert Davies 30 Mary Davies 29 Agnes Davies 10 Thomas Davies 5 John Davies 1
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16 Dec 2014 00:10 |
If your Grandfather was born in 1881 he surely didn't marry in 1889. Can you clarify the years please?
Who did he marry please and where? Where did you find the information that he was born in Torquay please?
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15 Dec 2014 22:29 |
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Name: Robert Davies Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration Year: 1967 Registration District: Exeter County: Devon Event Place: Exeter, Devon, England Age (available after 1866): 86 Birth Year (Estimated): 1881 Volume: 7A Page: 382 Line Number: 171
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15 Dec 2014 22:28 |
Torquay could be right as Dartmoor is in Devon
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15 Dec 2014 21:48 |
AnnCardiff,
thank you and yes it's like looking for a needle in a haystack at the moment. It doesn't help that Robert Davies states on the marriage certificate that his age is greater than it really was to get around marrying under the age of 21 without parental consent and says that he was born in Torquay (where there are no records of his birth at all).
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15 Dec 2014 21:37 |
hmmm - so many John Davies' in Liverpool
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15 Dec 2014 21:32 |
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Name: John Davies Gender: Male Christening Date: 04 Feb 1855 Christening Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father's Name: James Davies Mother's Name: Catherine Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05442-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1656426 , Reference ID: item 3 p 302
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15 Dec 2014 21:31 |
Name: Robert Davies Age (Original): 0 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1881 Birthplace: Preston, Lancashire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Son Marital Status: Single Address: 37 Young St Event Place: Preston, Lancashire, England Record Type: Household Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 4231 / 37 Page Number: 22 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace John Davies Head M 32 Preston, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Davies Wife F 37 Church, Lancashire, England Margaret A Davies Daughter F 13 Preston, Lancashire, England Elizabeth A Davies Daughter F 11 Preston, Lancashire, England Mary Davies Daughter F 6 Preston, Lancashire, England William Davies Son M 3 Preston, Lancashire, England Robert Davies Son M 0 Preston, Lancashire, England
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15 Dec 2014 21:30 |
Hello and welcome to the boards
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Name: Robert Davies Gender: Male Christening Date: 27 Apr 1881 Christening Place: St. Luke, Preston, Lancashire, England Father's Name: John Davies Mother's Name: Elizabeth Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01834-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1471019 , Reference ID: item 33 p 125
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15 Dec 2014 21:21 |
I wonder if anyone could give me any more information on a John Davies born 1855 Liverpool and showing as residing in Dartmoor Prison on the 1881 census.
I am trying to find out whether he is the father of my grandfather Robert Davies born 1881. He lists his father John Davies as deceased on his marriage certificate of 1889 and father's occupation was hawker.
Also would be great to find out what John Davies may have been committed to Dartmoor prison for.
Many Thanks
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