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Penny

Penny Report 7 Dec 2014 00:40

I was wondering if anyone might know who Clara McSporran might be. I was searching the immigration of John McSporran and wife Janet McLarty and some of their children to Canada in 1913. But there was a child also traveling with them with the name of Clara McSporran. I do not know who she is or how she is related. I tried to find anything about her, but I cannot find any info. Can anyone help me? :-)

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 7 Dec 2014 01:19

Hi Penny
I would have thought Clara was their daughter aged one and a half years when they immigrated.

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 7 Dec 2014 01:31

CLARA MCSPORRAN BORN 1911

Age: 10; Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Daughter
St Catharines, Lincoln, Ontario, Canada

Mike *

Mike * Report 7 Dec 2014 01:48

As the couple were aged 53 and 52, with a daughter Flora aged 20, Clara could be their granddaughter ( but brought up as their own child.. not unheard of )

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 7 Dec 2014 02:13

THE FAMILY WERE BORN SCOTLAND
I DONT HAVE SCOTISH RECORDS,CHANCES
ARE PENNY WOULD NEED TO GET BIRTH CERT
TO CONFIRM,BUT I COULDNT FIND ANY BIRTH RECORD

Gee

Gee Report 7 Dec 2014 02:17

Hi Penny


1921 Census of Canada

Name:Clara McSporran

Gender:Female
Marital Status:Single

Age:10

Birth Year:abt 1911

Birth Place:Scotland

Relation to Head of House:Daughter

Father's Name:
John McSporran

Father Birth Place:
Scotland

Mother's name:
Janet McSporran

Mother Birth Place:Scotland

Year of Immigration:1913

Racial or Tribal Origin:
Scotch (Scotish)

Province or Territory:
Ontario
District:Lincoln
District Number:100

Sub-District:
St Catharines (City)

Sub-District Number:3

City, Town or Village:St Catharines

Street or Township:5 Grace Ave

Municipality:St Patricks W

Occupation:School

Household Members:

John McSporran 61
Janet McSporran 57
Malcolm McSporran 26
M McSporran 22
Shannon McSporran 21
Duncan McSporran 20
Mary McSporran 18
Isabel McSporran 15
Clara McSporran 10







Dougieb1

Dougieb1 Report 7 Dec 2014 04:01

As Clara McSporran's birth was over 100 years ago you will be able to access a record of her birth on line by purchasing credits from "scotlandspeople"

The cost is about £7-00 for 30 credits.

Doug.

greyghost

greyghost Report 7 Dec 2014 07:48

Only one birth in that name, as shown below. I haven't any further credits left, but if you buy Scotlands People credits as suggested by Dougieb1, then 1 credit will get the same result (up to 25 such results a page if you are looking for something more common). For 5 credits you can then look at the actual record which will show who the parents are and you can download a copy. Although there is a closure online of 100 years for births, 75 for marriages and 50 for births the GROS data will give you the details you need to order the certificate for anything less than that.

Your SR Births Search Returns
You searched for: Surname: "mcsporran"; Surname Option: Exact; Forename: "clara"; Forename Option: Prefix; Sex: "Any"; Year From: 1908; Year To: 1913;

Jump to page: of 1 (1 records)
No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data
1 1911 MCSPORRAN CLARA PATTERSON F CAMPBELTOWN /ARGYLL 507/00 0179

Gee

Gee Report 7 Dec 2014 08:52


1901 Scotland Census

Name:John Mcsporran

Age:42

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859

Relationship:Head

Spouse's name :Janet Mcsporran

Gender:Male

Where born:Campbeltown, argyleshire

Registration Number:507

Registration district:Campbeltown

Civil Parish:Campbeltown

Town:Campbeltown

County:Argyll

Address:Lady Mary Row

Occupation:Distillery Workman

ED:19
Household schedule number:101
LINE:17

Roll:CSSCT1901_177

Household Members:


John Mcsporran 42
Janet Mcsporran 39
Agnes Mcsporran 20
Janet Mcsporran 14
John Mcsporran 11
Flora Mcsporran 9
Malcolm Mcsporran 6
Maggie Mcsporran 3
Duncan Mcsporran 1 Mo
John Mcsporran 10 Months

----------------------------------------------------------



1891 Scotland Census


Name:John McSporran

Age:32

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859

Relationship:Head

Spouse's name :Janet McSporran

Mother's name:Agnes McSporran

Gender:Male

Where born:Campbeltown, Argyllshire

Registration Number:507

Registration district:Campbeltown

Civil Parish:Campbeltown

Town:Campbeltown

County:Argyll

Address:Hogarths Land Lady Mary Row

Occupation:Carter

ED:13
Household schedule number:100
LINE:2

Roll:CSSCT1891_165

Household Members:


John McSporran 32
Janet McSporran 28
Agnes McSporran 9
James McSporran 7
Catherine McSporran 5
Janet McSporran 3
John McSporran 3 Mo
Agnes McSporran 52 <<<<<Mother

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Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928

Name:Jack Shannan McSporran

Age:22

Birth Date:abt 1901

Birth Place:Scotland

Marriage Date:3 Feb 1923

Marriage County or District:Welland

Father:John McSporran

Mother:Janet McLarty

Spouse: Evelyn Mason

Spouse's Age:18

Spouse Birth Date:abt 1905

Spouse Birth Place:England

Spouse Father:James Mason

Spouse Mother:Jennie Oakes

Registration district:Lincoln



MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Dec 2014 10:32

Daughter Flora's marriage:


Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Flora Mccallum McSporran
Name: Flora Mccallum McSporran
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birth Place: Scotland
Marriage Date: Mar 1915
Marriage County or District: Lincoln
Father: John McSporran
Mother: Janet McLarty
Spouse: Leonard Silverwood
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse Birth Date: abt 1891
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Father: Leonard Silverwood
Spouse Mother: Gracy Towsend

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Dec 2014 10:35

Flora in 1921:


1921 Census of Canada about Florence Silverwood
Name: Florence Silverwood
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birth Place: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Leonard Silverwood
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
Year of Immigration: 1913
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Lincoln
District Number: 100
Sub-District: Grantham (Township)
Sub-District Number: 17
City, Town or Village: Grantham
Street or Township: Orchard Park
Municipality: Grantham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Leonard Silverwood 31
Florence Silverwood 28
John Silverwood 5
Leonard Silverwood 2
James Silverwood 6/12

Penny

Penny Report 8 Dec 2014 21:18

thank you everyone. I didn't realize there was so much info out there and yet I couldn't find Clara. If the grandparents listed the grandchild as their own was it because their own son or daughter had a child without being married or that they were too young to get married ? So Clara could be any of the older children's child. This is why I couldn't imagine Clara was their child because John was 54 and Janet was 51 when they immigrated to Canada. I don't believe any of the children were married when they immigrated except for Katherine (married John Bowie in Scotland) . But Clara was listed as a McSporran not a Bowie. Also what is a carter for occupation ? :-S

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Dec 2014 21:41

A carter was someone who drove a cart, or equivalent of a haulage employee or contractor nowadays.

If you buy credits on ScotlandsPeople, you can view/save/print the image of Clara's birth cert, posted above by greyghost, it will give you all the details about Clara's parents.
Cheaper than buying the cert.

If she's listed as daughter on the travel record, it might just be a mistake by the clerk.

Robert

Robert Report 11 Dec 2014 15:20

Clara Patterson McSporran,was born on the27/08/1911,Campletown Mother was Flora McSporran,birth certificate states that Clara is illegitimate.However there is a ryder to record,stating that John Colville and Flora be recognised as parents.
Hope this solves your puzzle.
Gerard.

greyghost

greyghost Report 11 Dec 2014 17:54

FMP brings up 4 x John Colvilles on the 1901 census in Campbeltown - aged 44 (single), 33 (married) 13 and 6. Of course the father may be none of these.

Scotland's People shows 3 in 1911 - aged 24, 16 and 44 - you would need to buy credits to look for further information for the 1911 SP records as they are only available on there and for 1901 as there is no image to go with the transcription. Again, he might be none of these and unless there is more info as to which John, you might never know.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 11 Dec 2014 18:35

I can mail you the birth certificate (spare credits)

Jude

Penny

Penny Report 11 Dec 2014 21:56

thank you very much for everyone's help in finding me info on Clara. also for the suggestion of going to ScotlandsPeople to see the original certif. I appreciate it a lot. I was getting frustrated because I couldn't find who Clara was. :-)

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 12 Dec 2014 07:27

Penny - I HAVE mailed you the certificate so don't go paying again for it!

Jude

Penny

Penny Report 12 Dec 2014 20:52

thank you very much for doing that and Merry Christmas to everyone.