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3 Dec 2014 13:14 |
Hi Heidi, If you go into the 1901 Census, and enter Mary louisa Percy born 1883 and put in Bridgend, you will find her family, regards Richard.
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Gritty
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2 Dec 2014 10:50 |
And possibly where the "james" name is from:
Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%) James Francis Perry Penzance 5c 541 <<<<<<<< STEVENS Margaret Jane Penzance 5c 541 <<<<<<<<< TREVORROW John Penzance 5c 541 TREVORROW Mary Penzance 5c 541
Possible death for Francis:
FRANCIS PERRY JAMES Gender Male Age ADULT Death year 1882 Vessel USWORTH Year range 1882 Page 66 Record source GRO Marine Death Indices (1846 to 1902)
Margaret's baptism:
name(s) MARGARET JANE STEVENS Gender Female Birth year 1835 Baptism year 1835 Baptism date 24 May 1835 Parish Uny Lelant Father's first name(s) William Father's last name STEVENS Mother's first name(s) Mary Relationship Dau Place UNY LELANT County Cornwall Country England Record set Cornwall Baptisms
and here's Margaret & Francis' eldest daughter with her maternal grandparents in 1861:
Street Carwin Parish Uny Lelant County Cornwall Country England Parliamentary borough St Ives Hamlet Chy An Gweal Registration district Penzance Enumeration district 13 Piece number 1588 Folio number 72 Page number 27
William Stevens Head Married Male 59 1802 Tin Miner St Erth, Cornwall, Mary Stevens Wife Married Female 57 1804 - Cornwall, Mary Stevens Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Tin Dresser Cornwall, James Stevens Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Tin Miner Cornwall, Samuel A Stevens Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Tin Miner Cornwall, George Stevens Son - Male 13 1848 Tin Miner Cornwall, Anna Maria Perry Granddaughter - Female 4 1857 - Cornwall,
Christening of eldest daughter:
Anna Maria Perry James Gender: Female Baptism Date: 1 Feb 1857 Baptism Place: Uny-Lelant,Cornwall,England Father: Francis Perry James Mother: Margaret Jane FHL Film Number: 254223
So I wonder why they dropped the 'James' when they christened Sarah?
Name: Sarah Louisa Perry Gender: Female Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1859 Baptism Place: St. Ives, Cornwall, England Father: Francis Perry Mother: Margaret Jane Perry FHL Film Number: 1595570 Reference ID: p 203
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Gritty
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2 Dec 2014 10:17 |
This adds a little more weight to it being a possibility as by 1871 they had moved to Wales:
Street New Road To P Cawl Parish Newton Nottage County Glamorganshire Country Wales Registration district Bridgend Archive reference RG10 Piece number 5421 Folio 12 Page 18 Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Francis Perry Head - Male 36 1835 sailor - Cornwall, Margret Perry Wife - Female 37 1834 - Cornwall Anna M Perry Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Cornwall, Sarah L Perry Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Cornwall, Mary L Perry Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Cornwall, Frances M Perry Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Cornwall,
Same family 1881
Parish Newton-Nottage County Glamorganshire Country Wales Registration district Bridgend Archive reference RG11 Piece number 5332 Folio 109 Page 38 Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Margret Perry Wife Head Married Fem 46 1835 Mariners Wife Lelant,Cornwall, S L Perry Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Gen Servant St Ives,Cornwall, M E Perry Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Nursemaid St Ives,Cornwall, F M Perry Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar St Ives,
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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2 Dec 2014 09:58 |
Gritty I looked at that Margrate as they put it. I tried to look up Margaret Percy then James but foudn nothing further.
Just had a look at that census Gritty put up and it could be them!!!
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Mort
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1 Dec 2014 13:40 |
Thank you gritty, i think that i must look at getting the marriage certificate for Charles and Sarah, to prove all your hard work. I cant thank you enough for your help with the Percy family.
Heidi xxxxx
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Gritty
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1 Dec 2014 12:39 |
I'm not sure if the info on Sarah is correct. Needs more work- Who is Margaret- mother-in-law on 1901 & 1911 census?? I think you'll need to buy the 1883 marriage cert to find out who Sarah has listed for her father.
I've just had another look at the 1911 census
Margaret is listed as MOTHER-IN-LAW and although her name has been transcribed as Percy, looking at the image, I think it's actually PERRY.
possible for 1861? Name: Margaret J Perry Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: 1834 Relation: Lodger Gender: Female Where born: Lelant, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Ives Town: St Ives County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Penzance Sub-registration district: St Ives ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 68 Piece: 1590 Folio: 28 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Mary A Ninnis 52 Mary A Ninnis 18 Catherine Ninnis 13 John Juiell 69 Grace Williams 17 Margaret J Perry 27 married Lodger Dressmaker Sarah L Perry 2 Cornwall, St Ives
Possible baptism for Sarah:
Name: Sarah Louisa Perry Gender: Female Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1859 Baptism Place: St. Ives, Cornwall, England Father: Francis Perry Mother: Margaret Jane Perry FHL Film Number: 1595570 Reference ID: p 203
This may not be correct- but worth looking into.
This death could also be related:
Name: Margaret J James Birth Date: abt 1835 Date of Registration: Dec 1922 Age at Death: 87 Registration district: Newport Inferred County: Monmouthshire Volume: 11a Page: 195
I wonder if the P initial under Sarah's marriage (that Andy put up earlier) stands for Perry??
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JAMES Sarah Louisa P Cardiff 11a 430 PERCY Charles Cardiff 11a 430
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1 Dec 2014 12:18 |
Thank you so much Andy and Mel, all this information is so helpful i cant believe how much information you have found, thank you so much for helping me crack the case of Mary Percy and all her family.
Andy i just rang Cardiff council and they can not locate a burial in Cardiff municipal cemeteries, so may have to look at Parish records or outside of Cardiff for Charles Percy. Thank you so much guys i really appreciate all of your help, very exciting Mel to be looking at records in Cornwall what a beautiful place have very fond memories of holidays there as a child.
Heidi xx
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Dec 2014 12:09 |
Choccy did'nt say what Sarah's father was.
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Andrew
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1 Dec 2014 11:46 |
This might be family 1871. Sarah using middle name of Louisa
1871 England Census about Samuel James
Name:Samuel James Age:40 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Louisa James Gender:Male Where born:Callington, Cornwall, England Civil Parish:St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter County/Island:Devon Country:England Registration district:Plymouth Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:2 Household schedule number:39 Piece:2117 Folio:54 Page Number7 Household Members: Name Age
Samuel James 40 Tailor Louisa James 40 Harriett L James 11 Louisa James 9 George H James 7 Frank James 4
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Dec 2014 11:34 |
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Sarah Veale Dumble Name: Sarah Veale Dumble Gender: Female Age: 21 Birth Date: 1839 Marriage Date: 28 Oct 1860 Marriage Place: St. Ives, Cornwall, England Father: William Dumble Spouse: Samuel James FHL Film Number: 1595679 Reference ID: 24
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Dec 2014 11:23 |
I wonder????????
anges. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Sarah James Name: Sarah James Gender: Female Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1863 Baptism Place: St Ives, Cornwall, England Father: Samuel James Mother: Sarah Veal James FHL Film Number: 1595570
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Andrew
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1 Dec 2014 11:15 |
There is a possible death for Sarah as well
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1922 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Percy Sarah L 64 Cardiff 11a 442
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1 Dec 2014 10:55 |
Thank you Andy again for the information on Charles, i think i will ring Cardiff council this morning and see if i can locate the burial.
Heidi xx
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Mort
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1 Dec 2014 10:55 |
Thank you Andy again for the information on Charles, i think i will ring Cardiff council this morning and see if i can locate the burial.
Heidi xx
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1 Dec 2014 10:49 |
Hi all,
I logged on this morning to all this information, thank you so much everybody.
Sylvia, thank you for looking for me.
Gritty, how you ever managed to find them on the census under the surname Lucy, i will never know. But a huge thank you. Also thank you so much for the 1911 census, how interesting to see Elizabeth Coombes niece, will look in to Elizabeth and see what i can find out, i wonder if its the same Elizabeth Choccy metions on the marriage certificate.
Andy a big thank you for your help in locating them on the 1891, and thank you for the marriage information.
Choccy a big thank you for the marriage information amazing that you were able to locate this.
Mel thank you as well for the pension records on James, i will print these off today.
Thank you everybody for your help, i was completely stuck and you have help to move my search forward. Kindest regards Heidi
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Andrew
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1 Dec 2014 10:38 |
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Percy Charles 71 Cardiff 11a 459
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Gritty
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1 Dec 2014 09:49 |
1911: her family in 1911 note their niece (daughter of Mary)
Charles Percy Age in 1911: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Exeter, Devon, England Civil Parish: Newton Nottage County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 2 Williams Place Porth Cawl Marital Status: Married Years Married: 28 Estimated Marriage Year: 1883 Occupation: Bricklayer Registration district: Bridgend Registration District Number: 591 Sub-registration district: Bridgend ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 115 Piece: 32583 Household Members:
Charles Percy 56 Bricklayer (own Account) Exeter, Devon Sarah Louisa Percy 52 Cornwall, St Ives Thomas Frank Percy 17 Glamorgan Albert Edward Percy 14 Glamorgan Jack Stewart Percy 10 Galmorgan Margrate Percy 76 Mother-in-law Tailoress Cornwall, St Ives Elizabeth Coombes 5 Niece Cardiff, Glamorgan
Married 28 years, 9 children, 5 still living.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Dec 2014 09:22 |
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Violet Elizabeth Coombs Name: Violet Elizabeth Coombs Birth Date: 3 Jul 1904 Birth Place: Roath Cardiff Age: 11 Document Year: 1915 Relationship to Soldier: Child Form Title: Descriptive Report on Enlistment Number of Images: 10 Other Records: Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier James Coombs Self (Head) Mary Louisa Coombs Spouse Violet Elizabeth Coombs Child William Charles Coombs Child Leslie James Coombs Child Arthur Edward Coombs Child Ivan George Coombs Child
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1 Dec 2014 09:16 |
Possible for parents marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JAMES Sarah Louisa P Cardiff 11a 430 PERCY Charles Cardiff 11a 430
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Gritty
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1 Dec 2014 09:10 |
1901 (Ancestry) Image: surname- Percy. (correction submitted)
Address looks like 15 Glebe Place?
Mary L Lucy Age in 1901: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Chas Lucy Mother's name: Sarah L Lucy Gender: Female Where born: Porthcarol, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Penarth Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Town: Penarth County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Penarth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 163 Piece: 4989 Folio: 48 Page Number: 26 Household Members:
Chas Lucy 43 Devon, Tiverton Sarah L Lucy 39 Cornwall St Ives Mary L Lucy 17 Glam, Porthcawl William C Lucy 16 Mason's labourer Glam, Porthcawl Francis A Lucy 12 Glam, Porthcawl Thos F Lucy 7 Glam, Porthcawl Albert E Lucy 2 Glam, Porthcawl Margrate Lucy 63 Mother-in-law Tailoress Cornwall, St Ives
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