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I'm new to this and would really appreciate some help . I have found my uncle Thomas . O . E John who married violet m Jacques 1932 in pontypridd , violet died during child birth to twins in 1940 and my uncle at war in 1941 , I had always believed he had died first . My question is how do I find the names of the twins ? Is it just a matter of ilimination ? Many thanks for your help :-D

the birth of the twins should be on FreeBMD unless they were stillborn

Marriages Jun 1932
Jacques Violet M John Pontypridd 11a 938
John Thomas O E Jacques Pontypridd 11a 938

2 but possibly 3 children
Births Mar 1933
John Betty L A Jacques Pontypridd 11a 801

Births Jun 1934
John Owen H R Jacques Pontypridd 11a 842

Births Mar 1936
JOHN Marina S A Jacques Bridgend 11a 958

no twins listed so possibly didnt survive

not listed as Violet M

Deaths Sep 1940
John Violet 31 Cardiff 11a 635

JOHN, THOMAS OWEN ENOCH

Rank:Private
Service No:7628339
Date of Death:11/10/1941
Age:27
Regiment/Service:Royal Army Ordnance Corps 5 Base Ordnance Depot
Grave Reference: 3. J. 10.
Cemetery:TEL EL KEBIR WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY


Edit dont think thats her death as she was born in 1913 so would be 27 in 1940

he was very young when they married

Births Dec 1914
John Thomas O E Davies Pontypridd 11a 1015

Births Sep 1913
Jacques Violet M Roberts Pontypridd 11a 1078

what about their family can one of the children shed some light on them?

Marriages Sep 1956
JOHN Owen H R WATKINS Pontypridd 8b 1430
WATKINS Valerie M

Betty married several times but this is her death

First name(s) BETTY LORRAIN A
Last name LLOYD
Gender Female
Birth day 5
Birth month 12
Birth year 1932
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1988
District SOUTH GLAMORGAN
Register number 188
County Glamorganshire
Volume 28
Page 1522
Country Wales

maybe one of her family can help with info

First name(s) MARINA S A
Last name JOHN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1956
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARINA S A JOHN married
RAYMOND C ROBERTS
Spouse's last name ROBERTS
District PONTYPRIDD
District number -
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 8B
Page 1034

Do you have Violet's death certificate? If not perhaps she did die later??

Death:
Violet M John
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Mar 1960
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 661

Above death could fit with this birth:

Birth
Violet M Jacques
Mother's Maiden Name: Roberts
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1078

Hello Lisa and welcome to the Community boards.





(I'll let Lisa know how to find her replies) :-)

Hello Lisa. It's easier if you can reply at the bottom of this board as everyone can see it then, and you're more likely to receive help.

Message from Lisa:

Thank you so much for your time .
Maybe I've slipped up some where , I know that my uncle Owen was killed in the war i think he was Thomas Owen john and he married " may " which I think is violet may Jacques . He was killed in 1941 and she was pregnant at the time and died in childbirth , i seem to be a bit stuck here
Kind regards lisa

Lisa, you may be right but we need a starting point- do you know for definite if these people are your cousins?

Births Jun 1933
Betty L A John (mm Jacques) Pontypridd 11a 801

Births Jun 1934
Owen H R John (mm Jacques) Pontypridd 11a 842

Births Mar 1936
Marina S A John (mm Jacques) Bridgend 11a 958

Thanks Gritty , no I have not got as a far as tracing them yet , it seems unlikely though if she died during child birth during the war , although she could have had those before , I'm going to work a bit more tonight and see where it gets me , lisa