I have researched as much as I can from NZ to find where my GGGF was married. His wife was Mary Ann Horn
William Brown was born in 1796 and his family lived in Uxbridge at 103 Windsor St Hillingdon according to 1841 Census. Can somebody please help me
Regards
David Brown Christchurch NZ
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for our help, and infromation .................
is this your family in 1841??
1841 Census
Name: William Brown Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Hillingdon Hundred: Elthorne County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: Uxbridge Sub-registration district: Uxbridge
Piece: 656 Book: 6 Folio: 16 Page Number: 25
William Brown 45 Gaiter Maker Mary Brown 35 b.ca 1806, Middlesex Sophia Brown 8 Frances Brown 7 William Brown 2
First .................. ages for all people over the age of 15 were generally rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 Census (and ONLY on the 1841)
This means that William could have been anywhere between age 45 and 49 .......... or born between 1792 and 1796
Similarly, Mary could have been born anywhere between 1802 and 1806
They are both shown as born in Middlesex, so the odds are good that they would have married in Middlesex.
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I do however note that on the 1861 Census, Mary Ann says she was born in Chesham, Buckinghamshire
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How did you get Mary Ann's maiden name???
I can find several Mary Ann's marrying William Brown's ......... but no Mary Ann Horn
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
this is from the Mormon site, familysearch
https://familysearch.org/search
There is no image to check :-(
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Brown Spouse's Name: Mary Horn Event Date: 30 Jan 1832 Event Place: Fulmer,Buckingham,England Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13025-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1042383
same record from ancestry
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about William Brown
Name: William Brown Gender: Male Marriage Date: 30 Jan 1832 Marriage Place: Fulmer,Buckingham,England Spouse: Mary Horn FHL Film Number: 1042383
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Yes I agree with everything you say.This is all correct except evidence of marriage.
Mary Ann Horn is on copy of Birth Certificate I have obtained by relatives in our family tree family from GRO Uxbridge 1998. She is Mother and Father is William Brown. Son is William Whitehouse Brown who later came to NZ. Our tree did not go back before W W Brown so I am trying to explore back as far as I can
Findmypast also shows Mary Ann Brown in England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 vol 3A page 17
Thank you very much for your reply :-)
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Deaths Sep 1882 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------- Brown Mary Ann 81 Uxbridge 3a 17
(reference Death)
Chris :)
1881 (Find My Past) Mary A Brown Head Widow Female 80 1801 - Chesham Bois, Buckinghamshire, England Frances Pusey Visitor Married Female 45 1836 - Uxbridge, Middlesex, England Street Almshouses Parish Uxbridge County Middlesex Registration district Uxbridge Archive reference RG11 Piece number 1333 Folio 48 Page 31
(if her)
London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 (Ancestry) Name: Mary Ann Brown Record Type: Burial Age: 81 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Death Date: abt 1882 Burial Date: 11 Jul 1882 Burial Place: St Margaret, Uxbridge, England Parish or Poor Law Union: St Margaret, Uxbridge Borough: Hillingdon Register Type: Parish Register (Abode, Uxbridge)
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Since Chesham & Fulmer are both in Bucks, there's 2 ways to get a copy of the marr entry. Firstly, you can go via the Bucks record office (who hold the original parish rego's): http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/
Secondly, you can rent FS's film of the rego to view at any FS FHC. There's a link in the bottom left of the web page https://familysearch.org/ to find a nearby FS FHC.
Obviously you need to know which film(s) to rent. Well, Sylvia's post gives the film #. You can see what's on this film by doing a catalog search at https://familysearch.org/catalog-search for the film # 1042383 and see:
Parish registers for Fulmer, 1658-1882 Authors:Church of England. Parish Church of Fulmer (Buckinghamshire) (Main Author) Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1982 Physical: on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Add to Print List Notes Microfilm of original records in the Buckinghamshire Record Office.
Film Notes (This family history center has 1 of 1 films/fiche.) Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS General registers (baptisms, 1658-1812; marriages, 1688-1754; burials, 1658-1812); baptisms, 1813-1881; marriages and banns, 1754-1812; marriages, 1813-1837; and banns, 1823-1882. Family History Library British Film 1042383 Items 1 - 6
Fulmer is 5km W of Uxbridge, across the M25. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3195252
You could also do a place search for Chesham. Here it seems that all FS filmed were the BTs (and the marrs). [The Bishop's Transcripts are the church's own back-up copy, but there are some gaps here - I don't know why they didn't film the parish registers - maybe they no longer exist - you'ld have to check the BRO]
Bishop's transcripts for Chesham, 1576-1841 Authors:Church of England. Parish Church of Chesham (Buckinghamshire) (Main Author) Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1995 Physical: on 3 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. Add to Print List Notes Microfilm copy of original at the Buckinghamshire Record Office in Aylesbury, England. Buckinghamshire Record Office call no.: D/A/T/42-46.
Film Notes (This family history center has 3 of 3 films/fiche.) Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1575, 1600, 1602, 1605-1606, 1609-1613, 1615-1628, 1632-1639, 1662, 1664, 1671-1682. Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1683-1688, 1690-1697, 1699-1720. Family History Library British Film 1999161 Items 5 - 6 Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1720-1755. Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1756-1764. Family History Library British Film 1999162 Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1764-1766, 1768-1781, 1783-1791, 1794. Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1795-1798, 1800-1804, 1806-1807, 1809-1838, 1840-1841. Family History Library British Film 1999163 Items 1 - 2
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3267120
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Do you have William W's baptism, or rather baptisms as he seems to have been baptised twice - same church, same parents, same father's occupation and even the same vicar:
Name:William Whitehouse Brown Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:30 Apr 1839 Father's Name:William Brown Mother's name:Mary Ann Brown Parish or Poor Law Union:Uxbridge St Margaret Borough:Hillingdon Register Type:Parish Registers
Name:William Whitehouse Brown Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:2 Jun 1839 Father's Name:William Brown Mother's name:Mary Ann Brown Parish or Poor Law Union:Uxbridge St Margaret Borough:Hillingdon Register Type:Parish Registers
The images are available on Ancestry.
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Fantastic research. Much appreciated. Im off to see the mormons :-)
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Baptism
Have no idea why there were two and don't have any certificates?
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I looked at the images of the two baptisms, and there is no difference between them, not even a date of birth as many vicars add
Father's occupation is shown as Gaiter Maker on both of them
I thought there might be a notation by the entry such as PB, indicating Private Baptism ............... which would have been an indication that the baby was not expected to survive.
It is not uncommon to see a later baptism in church after a PB if the baby has lived.
but no such indication.
It is going to be very difficult to get a baptism certificate ............. mostly all you get is the Parish Register entry. A certificate of some sort might have been given to the parents at the time of the baptism.
Even people still alive are having difficulty finding evidence of baptisms showing their godparents' names.
If you have the actual birth certificate, you could check and see if the birth date is very close to that first baptism. If that is the case, then one might assume that he had been sickly, and not expected to survive.
If you do not have the birth certificate, just information from it, then it might worth buying a copy for yourself ..............
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Whitehouse Brown Registration Year: 1839 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Uxbridge Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3 Page: 289
The certificate will cost £9.25, post and packing included, anywhere in the world, from GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
you have to register, but it is free. They ask "do you have the GRO reference number?"
Answer "Yes" ................. it is that set of numbers at the end of the entry (Volume 3 Page 289)
Never pay any more than £9.25! Some sites will charge you as much as £20 for the privilege of buying a certificate through them.
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At the end of the day I want to find the names of Williams parents and where they came from
Thanks for your help
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According to William 1839 siblings marriages their father was also William Whitehouse Brown a Tailor.
Frances Brown married 3 times Sophia married 3 times.
Maryb.
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Unknown, if you do not have access to Ancestry, I can PM you the baptism images.
Maryb, where did you find Frances and Sophia's marriages?
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On Ancestry.
Mary Ann Brown on 1881 census with visitor Frances Pusey(nee Brown)
Frances Brown married James Stevens 25/12/1870 Frances Stevens married Henry Johnson 4/2/1877 Frances Johnson married Amos Pusey 19/10/1879 All 3 naming father William Whitehouse Brown a tailor
Sophia Brown married Henry Snell 1852 Sophia Snell married Charles Peachey 27/8/1855 Sophia Peachey married James Bailey 30/10/1865. Again all 3 naming father as William Whitehouse Brown a tailor.
Maryb.
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Most (all?) of the greater London parishes have archived their registers at the London Metropolitan Archives, and these are available on Ancestry, e.g.:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 [with some of the related collections as links in the right column]
London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1906
Uxbridge is in Hillingdon borough. In Hillingdon, the M25 is very close to the historic Middx-Bucks border.
I didn't look up Chesham Bois, which was a separate parish abt 2km SSE of Chesham.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/125713
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