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Jacqueline
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19 Nov 2014 12:48 |
Poster says she HAS the cert
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Nov 2014 11:59 |
Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. GEORGE
Marriage of JOSEPH MITCHELL of ISLAND BRIDGE BARRACKS and GEORGINA MORE of 81 INNISFALLEN PARADE on 18 September 1887
Husband Wife Name JOSEPH MITCHELL GEORGINA MORE Address ISLAND BRIDGE BARRACKS 81 INNISFALLEN PARADE Occupation PRIVATE 16 LANCERS N/R Father WILLIAM MITCHELL JOHN MORE Mother N/R N/R Further details in the record Husband Age FULL Husband Marital Status B Wife Age FULL Wife Marital Status S Husband's Father's Occupation DYER Wife's Father's Occupation CONFECTIONER Witness 1 BENJAMIN MORE (WITNESS FOR HUSBAND) Witness 3 JESSIE SHIELDS (WITNESS FOR WIFE)
(with reference from other 'Thread')
http://www.birthsdeathsmarriages.ie/shop/marriage-certificate/
(would be better to get Cert. for all details)
Chris :)
(apologies if wrong place for ordering, not sure on Irish things!)
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Jacqueline
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19 Nov 2014 10:59 |
I honestly don't understand why you think either of these 1865 births can possibly be the right person
You say that your relative's name was Joseph..............not John Joseph, or Joseph John, and he was consistent in giving on census returns an age that would totally preclude any births after the early part of 1864.
How OLD was he said to be when he married?
Was JOSEPH the only name for him on the cert?
What was his father's occupation?
Was his father 'deceased'?
ADDED
You said his father was named on the cert as William, so I wonder why you have ordered the cert for John Joseph, as the baptism - AND marriage - info posted on page one shows his father's name to be JOHN.
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2, Ormside Street, Camberwell, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Mitchell Head Married Male 36 1865 Leather Dresser Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription Maria Mitchell Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Transcription Jack Mitchell Son Single Male 8 1893 - Camberwell, Surrey, England Transcription Laura Mitchell Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Camberwell, Surrey, England Transcription Dick Mitchell Son Single Male 3 1898 - Camberwell, Surrey, England Transcription Arthur Mitchell Son Single Male 0 1901 - Camberwell, Surrey, England Transcription
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 74 Ormside St Peckham Camberwell S E, Camberwell, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Mitchell Head Married Male 47 1864 London Southwark Leather Dresser Transcription Mary Mitchell Wife Married Female 40 1871 Rotherhithe - Transcription Laura Mitchell Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Camberwell Factory Hand Transcription Arthur Mitchell Son - Male 11 1900 Camberwell School Transcription Elizabeth Mitchell Daughter - Female 8 1903 Camberwell - Transcription Fredrick Mitchell Son - Male 6 1905 Camberwell - Transcription Charlotte Mitchell Daughter - Female 0 1911 Camberwell
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Nov 2014 09:49 |
1901 Upper Gloucester Street (Mountjoy, Dublin) Shields Ellen 9 Female Daughter Irish Church Shields Annie 7 Female Daughter Irish Church Shields Jane 4 Female Daughter Irish Church Shields Daniel 37 Male Head of Family Irish Church Shields William 15 Male Son Irish Church Shields David Male Son Irish Church Shields Jessie 37 Female Wife Irish Church
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 (Ancestry) Name: Jessie More Daniel Shields Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885 Registration district: Dublin North Volume: 2 Page Number: 371 FHL Film Number: 101255
Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958 (Ancestry) Daniel Shields Age 37 Apr-May-Jun 1902 Dublin North
Jessie Shields Age 45 Jul-Aug-Sep 1907 Dublin South
(Jessie, her sister, witness on Marriage 1887)
Chris :)
(worth a check in 'Search All Member Trees', (top right of page here, under 'Search) perhaps some names might be shared by others)
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Nov 2014 03:38 |
Thanks for the update, Jane
no site has the full details of any bmd certificate for England and Wales. You always have to buy the actual certificate.
I hope the certs arrive sooner than November 25 :-)
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Jane
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19 Nov 2014 01:45 |
Thanks . I went ahead and purchase the two birth certificates on Mitchell as you say there is no other way to get this information. Despatch date 25 Th Nov 14 .Will up date you all when it arrives. Once again Thanks Jane. :-D
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Jane
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19 Nov 2014 01:19 |
Thanks Sylivain, I thought Genes would have more information when I purchased credits to view their information. As you say need to order birth certificates from GRO .I DID ORDER several certificates , about 6 in total at cost £ 9.25 each . The year 1864 -wrong ones so now I'm trying year 1865 and came up with two so looks like I need to order them. if I want information. May be his birth was not registered as Jacqueline says. Lovely sunset. Regards Jane
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 18:34 |
what do you mean ......................... you've "purchased credits genes re information on the two above Joseph Mitchell-Once again no good information - no details of father/mother"
that information will NEVER be available on GR, nor on any other web site
All you see on GR re birth is the registration of the birth .................... and that is an INDEX taken from the GRO (General Register Office)
You have to buy the birth certificate from GRO to get the information you need .................
each certificate costs £9.25, post and packing included, worldwide, from the following address
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
you have to register, but it is free.
You get the information on the registration from www.freebmd.org.uk, or from GR, and then apply for the certificate with the names shown EXACTLY as in the registration.
These are the 2 registrations that I found on freebmd for you ...............
Births Mar 1865 (>99%) MITCHELL John Joseph St. George S 1d 142
Births Jun 1865 (>99%) Mitchell Joseph John Bermondsey 1d 104
The application form on GRO will ask if you have the GRO reference number .............. answer YES ................... it is that set of 2 numbers after the registration place name
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Jane
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18 Nov 2014 18:17 |
Update- Just purchased credits genes re information on the two above Joseph Mitchell-Once again no good information - no details of father/mother More money spend and no further on - It's about time I give up on this on. Regards...Jane
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Jane
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18 Nov 2014 17:10 |
Many thanks- Jacqueline , Sylvania &Chris For the information and doing the look ups- Yes, Joseph and Georgina married in Ireland as Georgina was from there. On Joseph's marriage certificate it states Joseph father name is William. Yes Chris they are all related William Mitchell was the son of Joseph and Georgina Mitchell - to further my research I need Joseph's birth details -I have purchased several birth certificates -wrong ones-it looks like I will have to purchases some more or give up. Regards....Jane,
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Jacqueline
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18 Nov 2014 10:09 |
So all the census info posted above is duplicated...........great!
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Nov 2014 09:45 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1318087?page=0
(looks to relate to above)
Chris :)
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Jacqueline
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18 Nov 2014 09:28 |
You need the man's father's name - from his marriage cert , which will also tell you his age at the time
On the censuses posted above (and in 1901), he is too old to have been born in 1865.
There's no guarantee that his birth was registered, as it pre-dated the introduction of penalties(1875)
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 05:43 |
In 1901, Joseph and Georgina are living in Colchester, and Jospeh is shown as a Private Soldier in the cavalry .........
.................. which explains why his children were born in so many different places :-)
Did he and Georgina marry in Ireland???
If so, do you have their marriage certificate???
If so, what is his father's name?
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 05:34 |
I cannot find John Joseph and Mary in either 1901 or 1911 ....... nor any of those children shown on that ancestry tree :-)
so I cannot compare the two records
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 05:18 |
and Joseph and Georgina in 1911
1911 Census
Name: Joseph Mitchell Age in 1911: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 17 Bell Court, Bermondsey Street S E Marital Status: Married Occupation: GENERAL LABOURER Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey) Registration District Number: 24 Sub-registration district: Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 1874
Joseph Mitchell 47 Georgina Mitchell 43 b.ca 1868, London, England George Mitchell 15 b.ca 1896, Dublin, Ireland Jesse Mitchell 10 b.ca 1901, Colchester Frederick Mitchell 7 b.ca 1904, Balacony, Ireland
Married 23 years, 8 children born, 6 still alive, 2 died
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 05:12 |
is this your Joseph with Georgina???
1891 Census
Name: Joseph Mitchell Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Georgina Mitchell Gender: Male Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil Parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Leather Market ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 371 Folio: 124 Page Number: 18
Joseph Mitchell 27 General Labourer Georgina Mitchell 26 b.ca 1865, Dublin, Ireland Joseph Mitchell 2 William Mitchell 1
Address:- 17 Grange Road
The John Joseph who married Mary Knight said he was a Leather Dresser on his marriage certificate
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 05:08 |
from ancestry .................
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Joseph Mitchell
Name: John Joseph Mitchell Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1865 Father's Name: John Mitchell Mother's name: Elizabeth Mitchell Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
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Address:- Lucretia Street Father occupation:- Labourer
Parents had 6 weeks in which to register a baby's birth ......... it looks as though John Joseph might have born very late in December 1864
this looks like the marriage from that ancestry tree ..................
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 l
Name: John Joseph Mitchell Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Age: 27 Spouse: Mary Knight Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Jun 1892 Parish: Christ Church, Camberwell Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Mitchell Spouse Father: James Knight Register Type: Parish Register
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John Joseph's occupation:- Leather Dresser Father occupation:- Labourer
Witnesses:- John Mitchell and Laura Mitchell
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 04:58 |
a public family tree on ancestry ............... not always to be trusted of course!! ........... has this for John Joseph
John Joseph Mitchell Birth 1865 in Lambeth, Surrey, London Death 1950
Spouse
Mary Knight 1872 –
Children
Private
Jack Mitchell 1893 –
Richard (Dick) Mitchell 1898 –
Arthur Mitchell 1900 –
Elizabeth Mitchell 1904 –
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 04:54 |
so these are the two birth registrations, from ancestry ...............
Joseph John Mitchell 1865 Apr-May-Jun Bermondsey London
John Joseph Mitchell 1865 Jan-Feb-Mar St George Southwark London
and the same from freebmd .........................
Births Mar 1865 (>99%) MITCHELL John Joseph St. George S 1d 142 S
Births Jun 1865 (>99%) Mitchell Joseph John Bermondsey 1d 104
it actually looks from this as though they are two different people :-)
They are registered in two different quarters of the year
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