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Marriage: 11 Feb 1871 AllSaints, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Sidlow - (X), 27, Moulder, Bachelor, Little Bolton
Mary Lee - 24, Spinster, Little Bolton
Groom's Father: James Sidlow, Tailor
Bride's Father: John Lee, Spinner
Witness: John Lee; Maria Holliday, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thos. Lowe
Notes: Marriage solemnized at the Licensed School Room in the Parish of All Saints Bolton
Register: Marriages 1857 - 1882, Page 124, Entry 247
Source: LDS Film 2356304
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1871 England Census about Thomas H Sidlow
Name: Thomas H Sidlow
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin Sidlow
Mother's name: Nancy Sidlow
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 149
Piece: 3935
Folio: 99
Page Number: 27
Benjamin Sidlow 27 Occ:Iron moulder
Nancy Sidlow 25
Thomas H Sidlow 3
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3935; Folio: 99; Page: 27
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1881 England Census about Thomas Sidlow
Name: Thomas Sidlow
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Benjamin Sidlow
Mother: Nancy Sidlow
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 36 Trafalgar St
Occupation: Peicer (Mill Hand) (C)
Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a

Piece: 3834
Folio: 85
Page Number: 48

Benjamin Sidlow 36
Nancy Sidlow 34
Thomas Sidlow 13
William Sidlow 9 (witness at the marriage????)
Elizabeth Sidlow 6
Mary Ellen Sidlow 2
>>>>>>>Alice Sidlow
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41 Palmerston street-address for Thomas Henry at time of marriage
1891 England Census about Thomas Sidlow
Name: Thomas Sidlow
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin Sidlow
Mother's name: Nancy Sidlow
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Piece: 3114
Folio: 83
Page Number: 11

Benjamin Sidlow 46
Nancy Sidlow 44
Thomas Sidlow 23
William Sidlow 19
Elizabeth Sidlow 16
Mary E Sidlow 12
Alice Sidlow 10
John Sidlow 5
Annie Sidlow 4
Maggie Sidlow 2
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3114; Folio: 83; Page: 11


Maureen

Is this Alice's death please? That would maybe give her age?


Name: Alice Halton
Death Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Folio Number: 176


If this is your Alice's Notice of estates, she was a married woman and died intestate

Name: Alice Halton
Death Date: 14 Jan 1941
Residence: Hamilton, New Zealand

Looks like James died the same year. He was a retired miner and died gestate.


Name: James Halton
Death Date: 2 Sep 1941
Residence: Hamilton, New Zealand

Please can someone tell me about Thomas Henry Lee's sister Alice Lee who married Jim Halton, possibly in NZ? Did she go out to NZ on the ship Rotarua in 1913 with her sister in law Jane Lee and Jane's daughter Zipporah?

Thank you for butting in. This must be the one. It makes sense of why the child was buried in Jane Kenyon's plot. Elsie was her granddaughter. It must have been a shotgun marriage. How sad the child died.

Just butting in!

I assume this is not possibility, as you have given the year as 1892?

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 about Elsie Lee
Name: Elsie Lee
Baptism Date: 12 Sep 1894
Parish: Bolton, St Matthew
Parish as it Appears: Bolton, St Matthew
Father's Name: Thomas Henry Lee
Mother's name: Jane Lee
Reference Number: GB127.L123/1/1/3

Yes, that is Jane's marriage. However, I still cannot see why my great grandmother the first Jane Kenyon would have the child buried in her own grave, bought and kept for her family. It does not seem a close enough connection. Her daughter had not even married into the Lee family at the time.

Regarding the Lees: Thos Henry Lee had a sister Alice who does not appear in your 1881 census family. I know that people were sometimes absent from home at the time of the censuses but Alice is an important link in the chain (see above). I have not been able to find a census with a suitable Alice as well as a Thomas Henry. I know his approximate birth year but cannot find a birth ref. for her. It was a very common name. I have photos of her from the descendants of her niece Zipporah in NZ but they do not know her dob.

Thank you. Plenty of food for thought.

Go to https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1788853
and view the images by browsing down the following path
England, Lancashire, Ches...rish Registers, 1603-1910 > Lancashire > Chadderton, St Matthew > Marriages, 1890-1896 > Image 46 of 250
[NB The local ref CE208/7/91 indicates the 7th register (here covering mid 1890 thru mid 1896) for church coded as CE208 (decoded by LancsBMD), and either page # 91 or entry # 91.
Since LancsBMD identify the spouse, it will be an entry # here]

The image says John a=20 is s/o Thos, a mason, & Sarah Ann Lee is a witness, so I guess this h/h:
1881 England Census
Civil Parish: Chadderton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 15 John St
Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Chadderton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 4085 Folio: 19 Page Number: 32

Thomas Lee 33 Hemingbrough, Yorkshire, England Head M Stone Mason
Ann Lee 33 Pelsall, Staffordshire, England Wife M
John Chas. Lee 10 Cleveland Lofthouse Son Scholar
Sarah Ann Lee 8 Straithen, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scholar
Thos. Hy. Lee 6 Cleveland Brothen Son Scholar
Geo. Wm. Lee Chadderton, Lancashire, England Son

Here's your Jane:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEE Thomas H KENYON Jane Bolton, St Matthew Bolton 16/2/311

Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Marriage: 7 Apr 1894 St Matthew, Bolton, Lancs.
Thomas Henry Lee - 26, Piecer, Bachelor, 41 Palmerston St.
Jane Kenyon - 21, Spinster, 8 Nebraska St.
Bride's Father: James Kenyon, Minder
Witness: William Sidlow; Mary Alice Walsh
Married by Banns by: Alfred Wood Curate
Register: Marriages 1888 - 1897, Page 156, Entry 311
Source: Original Register

NB No dad named for your Thos Hy, but maybe John Lee is a cousin of your Thos Hy Lee.

Thank you. I appreciate your efforts. However, as far as I can see, none of this explains why this child should be interred in the Bolton grave plot of my great grandmother, Jane Lee, on 20 October 1892. The only other people interred there, other than herself in 1918, are her husband, two of her married daughters (neither of whose surname was Lee) and two of her grandchildren who died young. The only connection seems to be through her daughter Jane Kenyon who married Thomas Henry Lee in 1894. If Jane had an illegitimate baby before marriage I believe it would be registered under Kenyon, her maiden name. Ummmmm.......

These are the only possible deaths, and I think we can discount the London one:

Deaths Sep 1892 (>99%)
Lee Elsie 0 Oldham 8d 464
Lee Elsie 0 Strand 1b 351

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
LEE Elsie 0 Chadderton Oldham CHAD/39/77

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LEE Elsie Chadderton Oldham CLEGG CHAD/65/435

Maybe:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEE John C CLEGG Hannah Chadderton, St. Matthew Oldham CE208/7/91

and the matching GRO index entries:
Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Lee Elsie Oldham 8d 715

Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Beachell Martha Ann Oldham 8d 753
Clegg Hannah Oldham 8d 753
Kershaw Samuel Oldham 8d 753
Lee John Charles Oldham 8d 753

Please could someone look for Alice Lee, born in Bolton, Lancashire, around 1870, give or take a few years? She was last known in NZ, where she was married to Jim (or James) Halton. She may have sailed to NZ on the ship Rotarua (or similar) in 1913, with her sister in law Jane Lee and Jane's daughter Zipporah Lee. If so, I think she would be travelling under the name Lee, as a single lady.

Jane Lee's husband Thomas Henry Lee went to NZ in 1911.

Alice Lee may have had a child Elsie Lee in 1892, who died in the same year. An Elsie Lee is buried in the grave plot bought by my great-grandmother Jane Kenyon in 1890 for her husband James Kenyon. I have the grave deeds.

Jane Kenyon's daughter Jane married a Thomas Henry Lee (b1869) in 1894. Alice Lee was his sister.

Alice left the farm in NZ to her niece Zipporah, granddaughter of Jane Kenyon., maybe ingratitude for a kind deed many years ago.

An interesting story - if I can get any evidence for it. Of course, Elsie's birth cert is the only way to prove her parent (s).