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Hi,
I found my ancestor, John South Phillips born in 1823 in Great Barton Suffolk. His parents were John and Mary Phillips. I also found his wives and their 8 children.
Although I drove back to Great Barton to the Parish Church and found another grave. His name was Ernest Beynon born in 1914. His mother maiden name was Cornell. So was it my ancestor John South Phillips or else was it John Phillips my great great great granddad born 1817? Thanks and I will wait for your reply. Regards Andrew.

Sorry - what has Ernest Beynon 1914 mmn Cornell have to do with either of the John Phillips?

Who was your earliest confirmed ancestor ie the child born to John or John South Phillips? Do you have certificates to lend support to your previous choice ie a MC with the full name of the father or even better a BC? How about baptism records?

Just for info, as I am confused over what you mean:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Ernest Beynon Phillips
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1914
Date of Registration: Mar 1997 Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Bury St edmunds Inferred County: Suffolk
Register Number: C16D District and Subdistrict: 7421C Entry Number: 221

so not this birth:
Births Sep 1914
Phillips Ernest B Rosser Swansea 11a 2419

Added;
cannot see any Ernest with mmn Cornell birth.

Well, at least you've sorted out that his surname was Phillips, Patchem :-)

Yes, well, awaiting clarification.

Meanwhile, Andrew has, I think, this Ernest in his tree on here:

Births Sep 1914
Phillips Ernest G Webb Bury St.E. 4a 1841

(born Great Barton according to the tree).

Who may have these parents, but Phillips/Webb is an incredibly common marriage or birth combination:
Marriages Sep 1911
Phillips William Bury St. E. 4a 1945
Webb Rose E Bury St. E. 4a 1945

Added:
But this looks like his death:
Deaths Jun 1918
Phillips Ernest G 3 Bury St.E. 4a 902

Am sure we covered John South Phillips (amongst others) not long ago, and perhaps once before that!...(not remembering Ernest!)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345305?d=asc

I'm confused, Andrew. You say that your ancestor was John South Phillips born 1823 but you also say that your gt.gt. gt. grandad John Phillips was born 1817. Are you saying that he's the father of John South Phillips? He had a son when he was 7 years old?

The way I read it was that Andrew originally thought that John South Phillips 1823 was his direct line Ancestor. Now he has discovered that there is another John, John Phillips - b 1817 and wonders if he made a wrong assumption.

We've all come to that junction at some point - which direction to go?

But surely that's easily solved, Det, by finding the child of John from whom Andrew descends on the censuses? It should say whether his father was born 1817 or 1823.

That would depend when 'John' died.
As we know, the 1841 rounded the ages and, at least with my family, didn't give middle names.

Pure speculation - we need to wait untl Andrew comes back to clarify.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1334948

(Andrew also had above, which links Father Thomas to below (I think!) but not sure if he has Certs., there have been quite a few 'Threads' relating)


1851
John Phillips Head Married Male 36 1815 Ag Lab Suffolk, England
Emily Phillips Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Suffolk, England
Henrey Phillips Son - Male 11 1840 Ag Lab Suffolk, England
Sarah Phillips Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Suffolk, England
Thomas Phillips Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Suffolk, England
Joseph Phillips Son - Male 4 1847 - Suffolk, England
Susan Phillips Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Suffolk, England
John Phillips Son - Male 0 1851 - Suffolk, England
Street Cougers Green
Parish Great Barton
County Suffolk
Registration district Thingoe
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1791
Folio 657
Page 5


1841
John Pawsey Male 70 1771 Suffolk, England
Sarah Pawsey Female 60 1781 Suffolk, England
John Phillips Male 25 1816 Suffolk, England
Emely Phillips Female 25 1816 Suffolk, England
Heny Phillips Male 2 1839 Suffolk, England
Parish or township Great Barton
County Suffolk
Registration district Thingoe
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1036
Book number 2
Folio number 16
Page number 3


Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
PAWSEY Emily Thingoe 13 1123
PHILLIPS John Thingoe 13 1123

Chris :)


(Best place is Suffolk RO, Bury St. Edmunds Branch, for Parish Records)



07 July 1849 - London Standard - London, London, England

Marriage
On the 5th inst., John South Phillips, Esq., only son of the the late John Phillips, Esq., of Great Barton, Suffolk Mary Anna Charlotte, second daughter of John Henry Heigham Esq., of Hunston Hall in the same County.


Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Heigham Mary Anna Charlotte Stow 12 621
Phillips John South Stow 12 621



(Reference from other 'Thread' below)

Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 5 Oct 2014 09:02

Suffolk Baptism Index (part 3) Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) JOHN SOUTH
Last name PHILLIPS
Birth year 1825
Baptism year 1825
Baptism day 11
Baptism month Sep
Parish BARTON GT, HOLY INNOCENTS
Relationship Son
Mother's name Mary
Father's name John
Father's occupation Farmer
Residence Gt Barton
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index (part 3)

(in case you don't have!)

Chris :)

edits

13 October 1824 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

Marriage
Mr. John Phillips, of Great Barton, near this town, to Mary Elizabeth, only child of John South, Esq. of Huntingdon.


21 September 1825 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

Death
On Monday morning last Mary Elizabeth, the wife of Mr. John. Phillips, of Barton, near this town.


(somehow Andrew has above, but we await his reply!)