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Member Since: September 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	Unknown	Report	23 Oct 2014 04:04
Member Since: September 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	I am trying to find any information on the family of my G-G-Great Grandmother Elizabeth Horton. I know she married Phillip Woodhall (not sure when) and found them in the 1871 census living in West Bromwich, Staffordshire with their children Philip (b. 1850), Eliza, George, John Sam, James, Isaiah, and Mary A. They went on to have two more daughters, Elizabeth and Edith (b. 1874). I believe Elizabeth and the children immigrated to New York in 1878. The 1900 US Census says she was born in June 1837, but her gravestone says 1836. The stone is also where I discovered the name Horton. I'm interested in finding any info on her parents or any of her Horton family. Thanks in advance!
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 04:43
	for our reference .................... is this your family in the 1871 census 1871 Census Name: Philip Woodhall Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Woodhall Gender: Male Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: West Bromwich County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 105 Piece: 2986 Folio: 86 Page Number: 21 Philip Woodhall 49 Holloware Turner Elizabeth Woodhall 35 b.ca 1836, West Bromwich, Staffordshire Philip Woodhall 21 b.ca 1850, West Bromwich, Holloware Turner Eliza Woodhall 18 b.ca 1853, West Bromwich, Washing Powder ????? George Woodhall 13 b.ca 1858, West Bromwich, Messenger at Glass Works John Lam Woodhall 10 b.ca 1861, West Bromwich, Scholar James Woodhall 7 b.ca 8164, West Bromwich, Scholar Isaiah Woodhall 2 b.ca 1869, West Bromwich Mary A Woodhall 8 Months b.ca 1870, West Bromwich John Rushton 22 b.ca 1859, West Bromwich, Nephew, ????? Box Fitter Eliza Worthman 18 Boarder, ????Box Fitter Address:- Walsall St and in 1861 Name: Phillip Woodhall Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: 1822 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Woodhall Gender: Male Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: West Bromwich County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 135 Piece: 2031 Folio: 16 Page Number: 27 Phillip Woodhall 39 Holloware Turner Elizabeth Woodhall 34 b.ca 1827, West Bromwich Ann Woodhall 17 b.ca 1844, West Bromwich William Woodhall 15 b.ca 1846, West Bromwich Phillip Woodhall 11 Eliza Woodhall 8 George Woodhall 3 John S Woodhall 1/12 Address:- Messenger Lane and in 1851 Name: Phillip Woodhall Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliz Woodhall Gender: Male Where born: West Bromwich Civil Parish: West Bromwich Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 2025 Folio: 62 Page Number: 22 Phillip Woodhall 29 Cast Iron (??) Mettle Turner Eliz Woodhall 29 b.ca 1822, West Bromwich Ann Woodhall 7 Willm Woodhall 4 Phillip Woodhall 1 Address:- Springfield Place Note that Elizabeth gets younger as the years go by :-)
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 04:49
	and that is explained by the fact that YOUR Elizabeth, Elizabeth Horton, did not marry Philip until 1860 from freebmd.org.uk Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%) Horton Elizabeth Kings N. 6c 655 WOODHALL Philip Kings N 6c 655 Possible first marriage for Philip .............. Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%) HANCOCKS Elizabeth W Bromwich 18 653 WOODHALL Philip W Bromwich 18 653 possible death of the first Elizabeth ....... Deaths Mar 1860 (>99%) Woodhall Elizabeth W Bromwich 6b 469 This means that Elizabeth Hancocks was probably the mother of the following children .............. Ann Woodhall 17 b.ca 1844, West Bromwich William Woodhall 15 b.ca 1846, West Bromwich Philip Woodhall 21 b.ca 1850, West Bromwich Eliza Woodhall 18 b.ca 1853, West Bromwich George Woodhall 13 b.ca 1858, West Bromwich and Elizabeth Holman was the mother of the children born after 1861
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 04:57
	Philip and Elizabeth got married in the June quarter 1841, and that must have been before 6 June as that is when the the census was taken 1841 Census Name: Philip Woodhall Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich Hundred: South Offlow County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East Piece: 977 Book: 9 Folio: 12 Page Number: 17 Philip Woodhall 20 Elizabeth Woodhall 20 Address:- Gregory Street I can't read their occupations! possibly Philip's baptism, giving the names of his parents .............. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Phillip Woodhall Name: Phillip Woodhall Gender: Male Baptism Date: 23 Dec 1821 Baptism Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England Father: Wilm. Woodhall Mother: Ann FHL Film Number: 497347, 497348, 497349, 497350, 497351
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 05:03
	all the records I have posted, apart form the freebmd one, are form ancestry.co.uk There are several family trees on ancestry for the Woddhall family ...................... one does have to be very careful of ancestry trees because many of them do not show documentation fro thir assertations :-) But they can be useful as a guideline According to one of them .................... the date of arrival in the US varies depending on the year of the US Census In the 1900 US Census, it was 1877 In the 1910 US Census, it was 1878 In the 1920 US Census, it was 1875
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 05:22
	Incidentally ............... I don't know whether you noticed, I've only just seen it! Living in the same house as Philip and Elizabeth in 1871, but as a separate household is William and his wife 1871 Census Name: William Woodhall Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Woodhall Gender: Male Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: West Bromwich County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 106 Piece: 2986 Folio: 86 Page Number: 21 William Woodhall 24 Holloware Turner Maria Woodhall 22 b.ca 1849, Netherton, Staffordshire, Unemployed Ancestry also shows these two ladies as living with William and Maria, but it is a mistake, they actually live in the house next door Sarah Wherttey 94 Sarah Rose 58 from freebmd .................... ??? William and Maria's marriage Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%) Reed Maria Dudley 6c 244 WOODHALL William Dudley 6c 244
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 05:37
	This looks like Elizabeth and children arriving in America in 1878 ............. William had arrived earlier .................. Wm Woodhall 9 Mar 1875 abt 1850 Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland American Wyoming New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Wm Woodhall Arrival Date: 9 Mar 1875 Birth Date: abt 1850 Age: 25 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Search Ship Database: Search the Wyoming in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Image shows:- Married, Painter, but travelling alone Name: Elizth Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1833 Age: 45 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Search Ship Database: Search the Wyoming in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Name: John Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1863 Age: 15 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Name: James Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1867 Age: 11 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Name: Isaiah Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1870 Age: 8 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Name: Mary Ann Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1874 Age: 4 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Name: Elizth Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1875 Age: 3 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: American Place of Origin: United States of America Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming Name: Edith Woodhall Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1878 Birth Date: abt 1878 Age: Infant Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Wyoming They travelled steerage I'm not sure why it says the ethnicity of all except Edith is American! I don't seem able to find Philip travelling
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 05:42
	I've just found this birth and death on freebmd ................... is it possible that this child was also one of Philip and Elizabeth's?? Births Dec 1875 (>99%) Woodhall Philip Henry W. Bromwich 6b 821 Deaths Mar 1877 (>99%) Woodhall Philip Henry 1 W. Bromwich 6b 536 you'd have to buy the birth certificate to find out.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 05:49
	As you will see from what I've found .......................... it depends on which child you are descended from as to whether your G-G-Great Grandmother is Elizabeth Horton or Elizabeth Hancocks
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 06:08
	possible baptism for Elizabeth Horton, with her parents England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Elizabeth Horton Name: Elizabeth Horton Gender: Female Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1836 Baptism Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England Father: Thomas Horton Mother: Mary FHL Film Number: 497347, 497348, 497349, 497350, 497351 ???????? if so .................. 1841 Census Name: Elizabeth Horton Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Female Where born: Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich Hundred: South Offlow County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East Piece: 977 Book: 9 Folio: 12 Page Number: 17 Thomas Horton 45 b.ca 1796, Staffordshire, Coal Miner Mary Horton 45 b.ca 1796, Staffordshire John Horton 15 b.ca 1826, Staffordshire Nancy Horton 11 b.ca 1830, Staffordshire Samuel Horton 8 b.ca 1833, Staffordshire Elizabeth Horton 4 Isaiah Horton 1 b.ca 1840, Staffordshire Address:- Gregory Street I should point out that ages of all people over the age of 15 on the 1841 Census are usually round down to the nearest 5 ................. so they may be up to 4 years older
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Oct 2014 06:11
	I think you might have to buy the marriage certificate for Philip and Elizabeth Hancocks in order to find the name of her father
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17 958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	23 Oct 2014 07:43
	County Staffordshire Place West Bromwich Church All Saints RegisterNumber 347 MarriageDate 22 Jan 1849 GroomForename Isaiah GroomSurname GRICE GroomAge 20 GroomParish GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Miner GroomAbode West Bromwich BrideForename Nancy BrideSurname HORTON BrideAge 19 BrideParish BrideCondition Spinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode West Bromwich GroomFatherForename William GroomFatherSurname GRICE GroomFatherOccupation Engineer BrideFatherForename Thomas BrideFatherSurname HORTON BrideFatherOccupation Miner WitnessOneForename Philip WitnessOneSurname WOODHALL WitnessTwoForename Elizabeth WitnessTwoSurname WOODHALL Notes Groom, Bride & Witness 2 sign X (above has them as witnesses, if relating) edits (Nancy his future Sister in Law, same page 1841) Baptism County Staffordshire Place West Bromwich Church Christ Church RegisterNumber DateOfBirth 14 Jun 1849 BaptismDate 22 Jul 1849 Forename William Sex M FatherForename Isaiah MotherForename Nancy FatherSurname GRICE MotherSurname Abode Mares Green FatherOccupation Miner Chris :) http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1849 HORTON Nancy GRICE Isaiah West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/4/347 http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/index.php
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17 958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	23 Oct 2014 07:55
	Baptism County Staffordshire Place West Bromwich Church All Saints RegisterNumber 1862 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 23 Dec 1821 Forename Philip Sex M FatherForename William MotherForename Ann FatherSurname WOODHALL MotherSurname Abode Near the Waggon & Horses FatherOccupation Turner Baptism County Staffordshire Place West Bromwich Church Christ Church RegisterNumber DateOfBirth 30 Oct 1843 BaptismDate 12 Nov 1843 Forename Ann Sex F FatherForename Philip MotherForename Elizabeth FatherSurname WOODHALL MotherSurname Abode Mares Green FatherOccupation Turner Baptism County Staffordshire Place West Bromwich Church Christ Church RegisterNumber DateOfBirth 06 Oct 1846 BaptismDate 18 Oct 1846 Forename William Sex M FatherForename Philip MotherForename Elizabeth FatherSurname WOODHALL MotherSurname Abode Mares Green FatherOccupation Turner Burial County Staffordshire Place West Bromwich Church All Saints (Bishops Transcripts) RegisterNumber 795 BurialDate 15 Mar 1860 Forename Elizabeth Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname WOODHALL Age 38 Abode Walsall St Chris :) http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl (also from above)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17 958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	23 Oct 2014 08:08
	http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=65466316&PIpi=49011541 (is that reference Gravestone above?) Chris :) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
Member Since: September 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	Unknown	Report	24 Oct 2014 05:27
Member Since: September 2014 Posts: 2 Send Message	Thank you so much for all the information! I'm new to exploring my UK roots, so I need all the help I can get. I'm descended through John Samuel Woodhall, born 1861 so I guess I'm on the right track with Elizabeth Horton. I had seen mention of the two oldest children, William and Ann, on another's family tree but knew she would have been too young to be their mother so I didn't add them to my tree. But now it makes sense :) And yes- that's the stone I was referring too.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 048 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Oct 2014 07:36
	I'm glad we managed to sort it out for you !
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

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