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Robert
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18 Oct 2014 11:46 |
Thank you Sylvia for your response. In relation to Crystal Campbell entry on Heritage, I have made contact with her and she has access to my family tree.
Cheers Rob
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Oct 2014 08:09 |
http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Road_Cemetery
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=404819.9
Would take a look at above Robert, the first link should be able to advise, and would be your best bet, not all Burials are online here!, hope your visit goes well next year.
Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- BARRETT John J 81 Croydon 2a 799
Deaths Mar 1919 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------- Barrett Rose A 84 Croydon 2a 540
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 (Ancestry)
Name: John James Barrett Probate Date: 14 Jan 1919 Death Date: 15 Dec 1918 Death Place: Surrey, England Registry: London, England (of Trevena, 99, Colliers Water Lane Thornton Heath Surrey. Admin. with Will to Rose Ann Barrett widow. Effects £411)
Have you got the Birth Cert. Sylvia posted, just in case, what did it say for 'Father' details on the Marriage Cert.?.
Chris :)
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Oct 2014 06:53 |
does this mean anything to you????
from My Heritage
Thomas John (Clifton) Crystal Campbell 4 years ago
Hi, I'am looking for any infomation on a Thomas John (Clifton) born abt 1865 died Sep 22 1909, he was married to a Martha Anne Georgina Batchelor born 1867 died April 13 1940. he was born in England, but once in Australia he changed his last name to Clifton. I was told the reason for him coming to Australia was because he was a Preist and he wanted to leave and when he got to Australia he changed his last name to Clifton. So I can only go so far without knowing his real last name.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thank you Crystal Campbell member since Aug 30 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Oct 2014 05:46 |
Interesting!!
or strange???
There is a Public Family tree on ancestry that has John Joseph Gregory .................. and says he married in 1884 to "unknown"
Tree owner ................ louise lawrence Owner: Crean64
I found this marriage registration on freebmd, and I think this is what she is referring to ...............
Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) BARRETT John Joseph St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 893 Chapman Kate St Geo Han Sq 1a 893 Ross Patience Mary A St Geo Han Sq 1a 893 Tricker Louie Owen St Geo H. Sq. 1a 893 Tricker Louis Owen St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 893
he married either Kate Chapman OR Patience Mary ............... and Louis Tricker married the other one :-)
another tree is
Milsomfamilyhistory.me.uk Owner: Derek Milsom
and this one shows
Patience Mary A Ross Birth 1866-1867 in Hawkesbury
Marriage to John Joseph Barrett 1884 — Age: 18 St George Hanover Sq, London
and one child bron
I think this is wrong!
I can find John J Barrett and Patience in the 1891 and 1901 censuses ....... and John J says he was born in Limerick, Ireland :-)
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18 Oct 2014 05:32 |
Is this John James birth registration?????
from freebmd ..............
Births Sep 1865 (>99%) BARRETT John Joseph Gregory Mutford 4a 674
Mutford is a registration district in Suffolk that includes Gorleston, although South Town is not mentioned.
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Robert
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18 Oct 2014 00:13 |
In March 2015 I will be travelling to London and would like to visit some of the family graves. In Tas we have cemetery records online, can anyone put me in the right direction to find UK grave site in the Roman Catholic cemeteries in Croydon area London? I have been able to find a lot of information from headstones and am hoping to visit some sites in the hope of finding any linking information.
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Robert
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18 Oct 2014 00:12 |
Thank you Catherine and Chris for your responses, you are both onto the same person I have been researching. Below is further general family history: Thomas J Clifton’s first 3 daughters knew the answers around TJC’s change of name (according to information from their immediate families) but always shut down when questioned by their off spring and have taken this information to their graves. John James Barrett was living at 99 Colliers Water Lane until his death. We have photos and correspondence of TJ Clifton’s eldest daughter visiting 99 Colliers Water Lane in 1950 where she stayed with France B Barrett and his wife Allace. The Barrett’s were Roman Catholic and when TJ Clifton married in Tasmania @ a Presbyterian Manse Anglican and the older members of Tasmanian family were anti Catholic ?????????
JJB/TJC was well educated as after he left the Tasmanian Permanent Artillery he became a police officer then a registrar/bailiff for 17 years before his death (a state employee in his time) Another interesting fact is TJC first born was named Francis Bernard Clifton, after his brother.
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Chris Ho :)
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17 Oct 2014 18:52 |
http://tinyurl.com/q2rmx85
(mention of Thomas John Clifton above, Policeman, if him)
http://tinyurl.com/oqjpdno
(Death, wife Annie)
http://tinyurl.com/pgyqu7h
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 (Ancestry) Thomas John Clifton Spouse Name: Annie Batcheljr Marriage Date: 13 Sep 1889 Marriage Place: Tasmania Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania Registration Year: 1889 Registration Number: 593 Chris :)
SOUTHTOWN, or Little Yarmouth, a hamlet in Little Gorleston parish, Suffolk; on the river Yare, opposite Great Yarmouth, and within Yarmouth borough.
(if above, from google)
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Catherine
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17 Oct 2014 11:07 |
1911 England Census about John James Barrett Name: John James Barrett Age in 1911: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Dominica, British West Indies Civil Parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 99 Colliers Water Lane, Thornton Heath, Surrey Marital Status: Married Occupation: Army Pensioner Sergeant Late Of Royal Artillery Registration district: Croydon Registration District Number: 39 Sub registration district: West Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Household schedule number: 276 Piece: 3359 Household Members: Name Age John James Barrett 73 Rose Ann Barrett 75
.............on the 1911 census they state that they have had 5 children, 4 died but there is a line through number living. The one missing may well be John James Jnr. so I'm wondering if he may have gotten himself into trouble and the family disowned him. So, will take a look at criminal records to see if anything show there. Could also be a reason for him changing his name????
EDIT:- Sorry nothing obvios coming up yet :-(
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Catherine
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17 Oct 2014 11:02 |
1891 England Census about John James Barrett Name: John James Barrett Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rose Ann Barrett Gender: Male Where born: West Indies Civil Parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Staff Sergeant of Pensioners Registration district: Chelsea Sub registration district: Chelsea, South ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 66 Folio: 112 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age John James Barrett 52 Rose Ann Barrett 52 Francis B Barrett 20
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Catherine
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17 Oct 2014 10:57 |
Is this the 1881?
1881 England Census about John J. Barrett Name: John J. Barrett Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relationship to Head: Son Father: John J. Barrett Mother: Rose A. Barrett Gender: Male Where born: S Town, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Allhallows Barking County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 49 Gt Tower St Pension Office Occupation: Clerk On Raily Registration district: London City Sub registration district: Allhallows Barking ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 380 Folio: 7 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John J. Barrett 43 born: Dominique Island of Rose A. Barrett 45 born: Charlton, Kent, England John J. Barrett 15 Francis B. Barrett 10 born: Tore ?, Cornwall Emily M. Barrett 7 born: Chelsea, Middlesex Alice M. Campbell 11 born: Vauxhall, Surrey (niece) Mary J. Barrett 30 born: Donegal, Ireland (Sister)
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Robert
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17 Oct 2014 10:43 |
Rob Clifton looking for information on: John J Barrett DOB: 1865 born to John James Barrett and Rose Anne Barrett (nee: McClean) John James Barrett was a member of the Royal Artillery as a Sergeant (No 2415) 1881 London census: John J Barrett born in S Town Suffolk was recorded as being a clerk on the railway and living with the above and a brother (Francis Bernard) and sister (Emily M) By: 1887 no other UK record found
September 12 1887 a Thomas John Clifton arrived in Tasmania and enrols in the Tasmanian Permanent Artillery. We have family photos and correspondence suggesting that Thomas John Clifton is John J Barrett. I cannot find any record of the name change here in Tasmania and I am unsure just where to start looking for it in the UK.
On Thomas John Clifton’s death 22 September 1909 in Launceston Tasmania it was stated in his obituary that he was 44 years and 3 months on his death, making his birth date around 24 June 1865. Any help or advice would be appreciated. I also have a family tree on My Heritage site.
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