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thank you all for the prompt response.
from my sisters in law I knew there were 8 children 5 boys 3 girls and the boys , so the information is great as had only names. elizabeth is a new one but had also a female slot with no name .
the boys went into foundry work and were brassfounders and journeymen. this took them between dublin and dumbarton for work.
foundry at 243 yarnhall street dublin in thoms directory up until 1922 but not further .
work in shipyards and babcocks in dumbarton
some of them stayed on in dublin with their families others came back to scotland and one family to australia.
I am married to the youngest of five children whose grand father is george alexander menzies born in dublin 1878. and my inlaws where of a great age and have passed on. Only had the family talk to go on so all this info is of a great help.
think marriage cert is the way to go next.
thank you all from Hamburg germany
have a good day
m

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Margaret Elder

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 23 October 1842 DUNFERMLINE,FIFE,SCOTLAND

father: James Elder
mother: Mary Brown

Possible


Name: John Menzies
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1840
Birthplace: DUNFERMLINE,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Daniel Menzies
Mother's Name: Janet Hatton

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
King Street, Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

Print transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Elder Head Married Male 47 1814 Ploughman Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Mary Brown Elder Wife Married Unknown 48 1813 House Wife Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Jane Elder Daughter - Female 17 1844 Domestic Servant Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Mary Elder Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
King Street, Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

Print transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Elder Head Widower Male 56 1815 Farm Servant Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Mary Elder Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1848 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
George Elder Father Widower Male 84 1787 Farm Servant Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

Until you buy a copy of the marriage cert (you can download it from Scotlands people for a very reasonable sum), there is no way of knowing if this is the correct John, or, indeed, if the censuses above are the right Margaret.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Russell's Land, Pittencrieff Street, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Print transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Daniel Menzies Head Married Male 34 1817 General Merchant & Spirit Dealer Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription
Janet Menzies Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
John Menzies Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Catharine Menzies Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Jeanie Menzies Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Helen Menzies Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Janet Menzies Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Margaret Morris Servant - Female 16 1835 House Servant Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
King Street, Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

Print transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Bartholomew Head Married Male 48 1813 M D Edinburgh General Practitioner Uphall, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Transcription
W O Bartholomew Wife Married Unknown 28 1833 Doctor's Wife Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Margt C Bartholomew Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 Doctor's Daur Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland Transcription
John Bartholomew Son - Male 15 1846 Doctor's Son Scholar Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Alice Bartholomew Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland Transcription
William Bartholomew Son - Male 0 1861 - Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Margaret Elder Servant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Domestic Servant Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland Transcription
John Bald Servant - Male 15 1846 Stable Boy Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Preston Cresent, Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

Print transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Elder Head Married Male 36 1815 Agri Labourer Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Mary Elder Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
George Elder Son - Male 10 1841 - Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Margaret Elder Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Jane Elder Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Mary Elder Daughter - Female 4 1847 Scholar Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription

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Alexander Menzies

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

birth: 6 September 1873 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
residence: 1873 Ireland

father: John Menzies
mother: Margaret Elder

Elizabeth Menzies

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

birth: 5 November 1876 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
residence: 1876 Ireland

father: John Menzies
mother: Margaret Menzies Elder

George Menzies

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

birth: 8 January 1878 Dublin, Ireland
residence: 1878 Ireland

father: John Menzies
mother: Margaret Elder Menzies

Margaret Catherine Menzies

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

birth: 16 March 1879 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
residence: 1879 Ireland

father: John Menzies
mother: Margaret Elder Menzies

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John Menzies
mentioned in the record of John Menzies and Margaret Elder
Name: John Menzies
Spouse's Name: Margaret Elder
Event Date: 04 Mar 1870
Event Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11387-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516

john menzies born scotland ca. 1843. enloped with margret elder born scotland 1842 ca. think according to family rumour married in scotland before going over to dublin.
family talk says ...
john worked with / for margrets father in inverkeithing, fife scotland.father did not approve of match and the two enloped to dublin via aunt in edinburgh.
later in dublin john was a fifeshire brassmoulder but could work gold amd silver.

menzies foundry in dublin had other family members. and did work for catherdral and post office.
john and margret had george alexander menzies 1878 who had horace henry menzies 1910,
trying to find out more on john and margret in scotland
not sure what facts are true, any help gratfully recieved
mrs m menzies