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22 Sep 2014 21:47 |
Helen added a message to an old thread about a different Craddock family
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1266909
'I have a Henry Craddock born about 1841 who lived in Scotland . Was born in England but lived in Scotland after he retired from the army.He was my great grandfather. He is supposed to hav a brother but nobody in the family knows anything about him.'
and I have done a little digging around for her Henry and said I would post it here for her _____________________________________________
this is Henry in 1881 in England you can see this census here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQHX-WYS
Name: Henry Craddock Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Agnes Craddock Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Brenenden County/Island: Kent Occupation: Sergt Instr Volur (Army Pensioner) Registration district: Cranbrook
Henry Craddock 40 Agnes Craddock 23 Eliza M. Craddock 3 Henry A. Craddock 1 _____________________________________________
and this is the family in 1891 in Scotland
Name: Henry Craddock Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Agnes Craddock Where born: England Registration district: Irvine Civil Parish: Irvine Town: Irvine County: Ayrshire Address: 20 Friars Croft Occupation: Clerk Timber Merchant
Henry Craddock 49 Agnes Craddock 32 born in Glasgow Henry A Craddock 11 Ernest R Craddock 9 Alfred W Craddock 6 Lillian A Craddock 5 Minna J Craddock 2 James S Craddock 10 Mo ____________________________________________
this is their marriage
Marriages Jun 1876 Craddock Henry Farnham 2a 116 Richmond Agnes Farnham 2a 116
(Farnham would be because Henry was in the military; possibly Agnes' father was posted there too)
the marriage certificate would show whether Henry named his father when he married, and with his father's name he could be searched for in early censuses _____________________________________________
but ... this is what I am wondering ... if Henry wasn't quite sure where he was born, or generalized his place of birth to a big city as many people did ... Harborne is not 5 miles from Birmingham
1841 in Harborne Staffordshire you can see his record in this census here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQTS-NSY
Name: Henry Craddock Age: 5 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Gender: Male Where born: Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Harborne County/Island: Staffordshire Registration district: Kings Norton
Hannah Mooley 45 John Craddock 65 Jane Craddock 20 Mary Craddock 65 Henry Craddock 5 Mo
(the image is very difficult to read at Ancestry)
so it's quite likely that Henry was the son of Jane, who wasn't married
there is a possible death for a Jane Craddock in Kings Norton reg dist in 1848, also a marriage in early 1851 _____________________________________________
and then in 1851
Name: Henry Cradock Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Pauper Gender: Male Where born: Herrbon, Worcestershire, England (Harborne) Civil Parish: Kings Norton County/Island: Worcestershire Registration district: Kings Norton
Henry Cradock 9 > Alfred Cradock 7 (and many other people, it is the Union Workhouse)
it would be very common that an orphaned boy who was taken into the workhouse would join the military as your Henry did _____________________________________________
Births Sep 1843 CRADDOCK Alfred Kings Norton 18 402
this could be Henry's brother you have heard about
Kings Norton reg dist covers both Harborne and Smethwick _____________________________________________
I wonder whether this is Alfred in 1861 you can see his record at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7Y9-BFD
Name: Alfred Craddock Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: 1845 Relation: Boy 2 C (Boy) Gender: Male Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England (also very near Birmingham) Civil Parish: Vessels Town: Beirut Syria County/Island: Royal Navy Registration district: Royal Navy
and this could be Alfred in 1891
Name: Alfred Craddock Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Occupation: Brass Founder Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Registration district: Birmingham
unfortunately he is shown as Single ... this age is out several years but it could be his death as I don't see another likely
Deaths Mar 1895 Craddock Alfred 59 Birmingham 6d 111
otherwise, perhaps Alfred did not make it back to England, or did and died before the next census ... _____________________________________________
this is your Henry's military pension record I think:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5CQ-9WB
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JoonieCloonie
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23 Sep 2014 00:41 |
just a bit more about John and Mary Craddock and daughter Jane in the 1841 census
Craddock baptisms in Inkberrow with parents John and Mary
http://tinyurl.com/q3rqznv
Eleanor 1807 William 1809 Ann 1811 Henry 1813 Eliz 1815 Sarah 1817 Jane 1820
like clockwork :-)
William in 1861 in Birmingham
Name: William Craddock Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: 1810 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Craddock Where born: Inkberrow, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Registration district: Birmingham
William Craddock 51 Mary Craddock 44 Joseph Freeman 22 (Freemans are Mary's children) Henry Freeman 15 Fredrck Craddock 9 Caroline Craddock 4 John Craddock 1
likely Eleanor's marriage to Joseph Knott
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJ3J-39C
Eleanor in 1861
Name: Eleanor Knott Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: 1808 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Knott Where born: Inkberrow, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Powick County/Island: Worcestershire Registration district: Upton On Severn
Joseph Knott 54 Eleanor Knott 53 Jane Knott 22 James Knott 19 Frederick W Knott 17
since Henry was an infant in 1841 it is probably unlikely that he was the child of an older child of John and Mary Craddock, Jane being in the household and the most likely parent
of course this may all be info you have already Helen :-)
another member here has all of John and Mary's children in their tree, see the search results here:
http://tinyurl.com/msz8yfu
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Gritty
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23 Sep 2014 07:23 |
Possible military record for him on FMP although it doesn't have any details of family that I can see
Occupation on enlistment: Electro Plater Born Birmingham 1841 Enlisted Plymouth in 1859 Discharged Sunderland 1880 Served almost 21 years (9 1/2 of these in the East Indies)
First name(s) HENRY Last name CRADDOCK Birth year 1841 Birth parish BIRMINGHAM Birth town BIRMINGHAM Birth county WARWICKSHIRE Birth country ENGLAND Service number 3760 Rank COLOR SERGEANT Regiment Durham Light Infantry - 68th & 106th Foot Document Type Discharge Attestation year 1859 Attestation Day 23 Attestation Month 3 Attestation age years 18 Attestation age months - Discharge Corps 106TH REG OF FOOT Discharge service number 3760 Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913 Box 1928 Box Record Number 22 Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Sep 2014 08:32 |
(below possible for 1843 Alfred details above)
Name Craddock, Alfred Place of Birth: Harborne, Staffordshire Continuous Service Number: 6412A Date of Volunteering: 20 July 1863 Date of Birth: 20 July 1845
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7894969
(above although Birth year out!)
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1843
CRADDOCK Alfred Harborne Sandwell Register Office
(also saw below, in case they relate!)
1848 CRADDOCK Mary H Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/7/69
1856 CRADDOCK Amos Harborne Sandwell Register Office HAR/14/400
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
Chris :)
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rootgatherer
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23 Sep 2014 09:57 |
Name: Henry Craddock Age: 34 Birth Year: abt 1842 Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1876 Archive Provided Parish: Aldershot, St Michael the Archangel Parish as it Appears: Aldershot Spouse: Agnes Richmond Spouse Age: 18 Father: Henry Craddock, Carpenter Spouse Father: William Richmond, Soldier Reference Number: ALDM/2/7
Residence for both Aldershot. Doesn't say either of the fathers are deceased.
Witnesses: JohnJoseph Fitzgerald and Mary Jane Foxley.
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rootgatherer
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23 Sep 2014 10:03 |
A tree on Ancestry has Henry's death 7 Jan 1894 in Irvine, Ayrshire.
Scottish death registrations name the parents including the mother's maiden surname if the informant knows the details.
The Ancestry tree gives his parents as Henry Craddock and Mary Westwood.
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rootgatherer
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23 Sep 2014 10:14 |
I wondered about this family.
1851
Name: Henry Craddock Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Son Mother's name: Mary Craddock Gender: Male Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Wolverhampton Ecclesiastical parish: St John Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western ED, institution, or vessel: 1i Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 63 Piece: 2018 Folio: 150 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Mary Craddock 33 Widow, occ. Cooper Henry Craddock 9 Christopher Craddock 4 George Craddock 2 Louisa Dicken 12 Servant Frederick Dicken 23 Brother in Law
Same family in 1861 but Mary has re-married
Name: Henry Craddock Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: 1842 Gender: Male Where born: Wenlock, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Wolverhampton Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Piece: 1987 Folio: 100 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Bache 35, merchants Packer Mary Bache 43 Henry Craddock 19, Cooper Christopher Craddock 14 George Craddock 12
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JoonieCloonie
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25 Sep 2014 20:57 |
I've just realised Helen sent me her tree permission a few days ago ...
confirms the 1881 and 1891 family I posted up at the beginning and shows Henry's parents as Henry Craddock and Mary Westwood and the marriage record rootgatherer posted shows Father: Henry Craddock, Carpenter
if John and Mary Craddock in the 1841 census I posted were the grandparents of the Henry in question, perhaps his father was their son Henry baptised 1813
the military record for Helen's Henry that Gritty posted that shows him as an electroplater would be a good match for a brother who was a brass founder in 1891 (Alfred)
the family that rootgatherer posted has a Henry who is a cooper, and he was present in 1861 in the census when Helen's Henry was in the military I believe
my money is still on Henry of Harborne and younger brother Alfred
I will send Helen another PM to ask her to have a look at this thread instead :-)
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JoonieCloonie
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25 Sep 2014 23:18 |
I can't seem to persuade Helen to come to this thread
her PM
This could be my Henry The name Henry Alfred has been used a lot in my family I have a cousin Henry Alfred, my father, grandfather also couple of uncles. I had tried to get this info before my father passed away. I wonder whuch regiment Alfred was in. Thanks for all your help.
Gritty posted his military record above in the thread Helen :-) a copy of the original documents can be downloaded at findmypast (or someone would probably send you a copy if you don't have that subscription, I don't myself)
if you think the Henry & Alfred brothers in the workhouse might be your Henry, getting Alfred's birth certificate could tell you his mother's and possibly father's name
(I am usually suspicious if no trace of a father is found and a man names a father with the same name as himself when he marries especially when far from home ... often that suggests the father is made up, although since your Henry called his father a carpenter maybe he did know his father's details)
I will try again to get Helen to visit the thread!
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