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I would be extremely grateful if someone could crack the following:

Arthur Albert Fitch born 29.03.1887 St John's Wood London.The only document that I can find that supports this is the 1901 Census for Wales, in which he is 14 and the son of Arthur Edward Fitch and Mary Turner Fitch ( He from Herts, she from Essex)...there is no apparent registration of Birth that fits (1887 Braintree might fit)..and the problem is further exacerbated by the fact that the parents did not marry till 1895.

Can anyone find a Baptism for Arthur Alfred Fitch 29.03.1887 St John.s Wood???????

Pretty please....(My picture is Ledston hall.a school of which he was headmaster till 1951)
Many thanks

Derek. (the Derbyshire one!!)

from a tree on ancestry
no birth or baptism found, nor 1891 census
they do have this if correct


Marriage to Margaret Mary Nicholson
1912 20 Dec Age: 25
Registry Office, Liverpool
Arthur is medical Student living at 166 Bedford Street, Liverpool at time of marriage. Middle name is down as Vincent on marriage certificate.

Derek, can you post that 1901 census on here please as I can't see them?
Jan

Thank you Maddie..I have all that, in fact I have the full story exceptt for the Birth/Baptism.

Thanks again

This is the Ancestry version!! Correction sent.

1901 Wales Census about Arthur Alfred Pitch
Name: Arthur Alfred Pitch
Age in 1901: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Arthur Edward Pitch
Mother's name: Mary Turner Pitch
Gender: Male
Where born: St Johns Wood, London, England
Civil Parish: Tintern Parva
Ecclesiastical parish: Tintern Parva
Town: Tintern
County/Island: Monmouthshire

Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Chepstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 4916
Folio: 54

Arthur Edward Pitch 44
Mary Turner Pitch 37
Arthur Alfred Pitch 14

Hi Jan!!!! How nice to see you again..........I'll try on PM??

According to 1911 they had no children, the implication is he was "adopted"??


1911 England Census about Arthur Edward Fitch
Name: Arthur Edward Fitch
Age in 1911: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire
Civil Parish: Paignton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 2 Greenbank Tre, Totnes Road, Paignton, S Devon
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Pensioned Railway station Master
Registration district: Totnes
Registration District Number: 273
Sub-registration district: Paignton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 607
Piece: 12796
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Edward Fitch 54
Mary Turner Fitch

Have you looked for his birth under his mums maiden name

Hmmph!!........has anyone any idea of what Churches there are in St.John's Wood??? someone has got the date from somewhere......
Thanks Jan, for the "adoption" suggestion.......now where would go for that???????

Sorry, 'adopted' is too simplistic, in that he might be a child of just one of them Apologies!
Jan

Was she perhaps living with Arthur and took his surname
Marriages Jun 1895

Marriages Jun 1895
FITCH Arthur Edward Brentford 3a 149
FITCH Mary Turner Brentford 3a 149


Edit sorry I deleted out the wrong male name

They were both Fitch, assume they were related somehow.
Jan

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Mary Turner Fitch
Name: Mary Turner Fitch
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 31
Spouse: Arthur Edward Fitch
Spouse Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 May 1895
Parish: St John, Northfields
Borough: Ealing
Father Name: Philip Turner Fitch
Spouse Father: Edward Thomas Fitch
Register Type: Parish Register

This may be of interest


UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956
about Arthur Edward Fitch

Name:Arthur Edward Fitch
Birth Date:21 Apr 1856
Residence Date:4 Sep 1871
Age:15
Station:Paddington
Company:Great Western
Description:Register of Clerks. Vol 5 [1835-1910]



Andy

Hi Shirley and Jan.......I doubt he would have been adopted becasue he was with them at Tintern Parva in 1901 aged 14..(Incidentally in 1903 he was arrested for breking into a safe and stealing £7.00 from Tintern Parva Railway Station, of which his father was Stationmaster)..and he was a Monmouth Grammar School Boy!!..so adoption is unlikely as by 1911 he would be ot there somewhere fending for himself...

No Shirley..I have the marriage details for Mary Turner Fitch who was a first cousin of Arthur edward Fitch whom she definitely married. I have a copy of the Parish record Marriage entry.........You BMD entry is wrong...soryy!!

Derek.

Not sure what you mean Derek, as in 'adoption' being unlikely??
If the 1911 was accurate, he was not son to them both as they have declared no children born to the marriage.
Maybe I didn't express what I meant clearly - I was trying to say that they took him on as they were childless..
If this was the case there will be no records I imagine, as adoption was almost never formal until about 1927.
Jan

Derek, I assume you have a tree on Ancestry? According to that he was a medical student in Liverpool in 1912, when he married a Margaret Mary Nicholson. He apparently gave his name as Arthur Vincent Fitch!
Do you happen to have that cert, assuming all this is correct?
Marriages Dec 1912
Fitch Arthur V Nicholson Liverpool 8b 226
Nicholson Margaret M Fitch Liverpool 8b 226
Jan

Hello Jan..I have see the BMD entry for te marriage to Margaret Nicholson,and have been unable to ratioalise the V..except that he later had a son with Vincent amongst his names....I don't have a Tree on Ancestry except my own.....This is not my family..he was my Headmaster at Ledston Hall School,,and a very evil man....I take your point about him being adopted by the parents shown on the 1901.....and Shirley offers the point that he might have been registered under his mother's maiden name..which was FITCH!! oh joy!