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I had an earlier post relating to Oliver and also Oliver/Stull but the latter was very confusing so I don't want to add this to it.
Yesterday I visited the cemetery in Guelph to check out some Oliver graves. In my tree I have Henry Huggard Oliver b. 1844 married to Hannah Bell b. 1848. Yesterday I found graves to Henry H. Oliver died 1878, age 34 (makes him born 1844) and his wife Catherine Oliver died 1882, age 36 (makes her born 1846).

I also found graves on the next lot for Henry H. Oliver, died 1953 no age given and in the next grave Hannah Oliver died 1874, age 26 (gives birth of 1848). I know that Hannah (Bell) died in 1874 and Henry H. remarried to Sarah Shaw but who is the Henry H. Oliver buried next to her ... can't be her husband because that would make him 109 when he died and it can't be her son because he died in 1944. I found his grave with his wife Isabel E. Oliver.

Any suggestions??

Having looked on google, I find Guelph is in CANADA

Yes Jacqueline, Guelph is in Wellington County in Ontario, Canada.

Name: Henry H. Oliver
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 09 Dec 1878
Event Place: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Birthplace: Guelph
Birth Year (Estimated): 1844
Reference ID: yr 1878 cn 15854 , GS Film number: 1853225 , Digital Folder Number: 4172023 , Image Number: 652

Name: Annie Rose Howett Oliver
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 15 Jan 1879
Event Place: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Henry H Oliver
Mother's Name: Sarah A V Shaw
Reference ID: item 2 p 29 , GS Film Number: 1845224 , Digital Folder Number: 004529968 , Image Number: 00263

Name: Henry Huggard Oliver
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Oct 1878
Event Place: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario, Canada
Age: 34
Birth Year (Estimated): 1844
Father's Name: Harry Huggard Oliver
Mother's Name: Catherine Oliver
Spouse's Name: Sarah Alice Vanstone Shaw
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1855
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Mccarthy
Spouse's Mother's Name: Selma Shaw
Page: 011896
Digital Folder Number: 004529124
GS Film Number: 1863654 , Image Number: 00203

Name: Fredk Henry Stull
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 08 Jul 1905
Event Place: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario, Canada
Age: 49
Birth Year (Estimated): 1856
Father's Name: Henry Stull
Mother's Name: Hannah Eliza Stull
Spouse's Name: May Isabel Oliver
Spouse's Age: 32
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1873
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry H Oliver
Spouse's Mother's Name: Hannah Bell
Digital Folder Number: 004529293
GS Film Number: 1871549 , Image Number: 00311

Name: Wm Francis Oliver
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1901
Birthplace: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario
Father's Name: Henry H Oliver
Mother's Name: Bella E Fairburn
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02221-3 , System Origin: Canada-EASy , GS Film number: 2079527 , Reference ID: p 245 43744

Name: James Albert Swindlehurst
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Dec 1909
Event Place: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario, Canada
Age: 21
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Father's Name: James Swindlehurst
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gavin
Spouse's Name: Hannah Ida Bell Oliver
Spouse's Age: 18
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1891
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry H Oliver
Spouse's Mother's Name: Bella Emma Fairbairn
Page: 021904
Digital Folder Number: 004529578
GS Film Number: 1872067 , Image Number: 00823

Thanks Ann. This is the Henry H. Oliver married to Catherine, but I don't know who this Henry is because the Henry I have, born same year, was married to Hannah Bell. If I obtained a death certificate for him would it give me any clue as to his parents. (I'm doing this for a friend so it's my first time doing Canadian family history, my own is UK).

Name: Henry Haggard Oliver
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 16 May 1896
Event Place: Guelph, Wellington, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Henry Haggard Oliver
Mother's Name: Isabella E. Fairburn
Reference ID: cn 39818 , GS Film Number: 1846558 , Digital Folder Number: 004656917 , Image Number: 00369

Thanks Ann. The Olivers married into the Stulls and it all gets very confusing there. It's all in my thread Oliver/Stull and in that thread someone mentioned cousins marrying. Henry marrying Catherine I suppose could be a case of cousins marrying but I don't know who Henry's parents could be.

Yvonne add Canada to your title, this will help our Canadian helpers to help you:)

I came across this in the web,

"OLIVER, Henry H. (father) , and Isabella E. FAIRBAIRN, had a baby girl, Grace Irene OLIVER born 30 Jun 1906 in Wellington County, Ontario, Canada. 877,385 "

Just thinking that this chap would possibly be about the right age for a death in 1953????

Ok, just retread your post, so the above died in 1944.

Thanks BatMansDaughter. The Henry H. Oliver that you mention died in 1944 and is buried next to his wife Isabella. They did have a baby girl, Grace Irene, and her twin Edith Eleanor. Both girls died within a few weeks.

Yvonne,

have you found Sarah Oliver (nee Shaw) grave? Do you know when Henry Huggard Oliver died? Have you found his grave?

I'm just thinking that yes the possible age of 109 is unlikely but not impossible.

I haven't found Sarah's grave but I have a request in to the cemetery to see if they have a record - that's where I got the others from. I don't know when Henry died but I do think that 109 is highly unlikely. When I was in the cemetery there were a lot of empty lots, no headstones or memorials, so unless there's something in the records it might be impossible to find. The cemetery found the reference to one of the twins mentioned above but had no record of the other one, though they died within a day of each other and back then babies were put in any available grave.

Oliver Henry H. 54 Buried 1853 07 01 Guelph Merchant

http://www.ogs.on.ca/wellington/secured/Traces_Tracks/TnT13-1.pdf

(some Oliver on above, if any relate)

Chris :)

edits (others below)

Oliver Edward James 5 1851 05 06 Guelph s H.H.
Oliver James 10m 1851 05 18 s Guelph s H.H.


Canada, City and Area Directories, 1819-1906 (Ancestry)
Name: H H Oliver Oliver
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mrs Oliver
Publication Title: Guelph City Directory, 1873
(Oliver, Mrs., wid. of H.H. Oliver, r. Queen nr. York Rd)

This Henry Oliver married Catharine Oliver who was the daughter of Henry & Catharine:


Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Henry Oliver
Name: Henry Oliver
Birth Place: Guelph
Residence: Garafraxa Township
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Father Name: Robert Oliver
Mother Name: Christiana Oliver
Spouse Name: Catharine Oliver
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1843
Spouse Birth Place: Guelph
Spouse Residence: Guelph
Spouse Father Name: Henry Oliver
Spouse Mother Name: Catharine Oliver
Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1866
Marriage County or District: Wellington

This is beginning to get sooo complicated - it certainly looks like cousins marrying cousins.