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17 Sep 2014 10:43 |
Hello, I have decided to start working on my family tree again as I now have the time to do so. I have already got further than I thought I would with my Grandfathers side considering all I knew was his dads name. Anyway my Grandfather was called Patrick Hart born 1929 and died 2006. He was Married to a Margret Bugg born 1933 and died 1997. They had two children Bruce Hart born 1958 and Stuart Hart born 1963. My Grandfathers dad was called Alfred Hart born 1887 and died 1941 and he was married to Laura Bailey born c1891 and died c1968. They had two children - Alfred Hart born 1921 and died 2005 and Patrick Hart (My Grandfather)
So I have followed the Hart name, and I have managed to get up to 4x Great Grandfather of Patrick Hart who I believe is called Richard Hart born 1732 and died 1780. I believe he married Sarah Godbill born 1740 and died 1789.
I appreciate how far I have gotten already, but I'm now at a standstill, I'd really like to carry on exploring the Harts, and see how far back I can go. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you :-D
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Jacqueline
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17 Sep 2014 11:11 |
Just so people have an idea of where in the world this relates to
Marriages Sep 1957 (>99%) BUGG Margaret M HART Grimsby 3b 633 HART Patrick BUGG Grimsby 3b 633
If all the ancestors were born in Lincolnshire, you might find info by looking at Lincs PR's on the FindMyPast website
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Jacqueline
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17 Sep 2014 11:18 |
Laura's death
HART LAURA M 1890 1967 1967 Deaths & burials Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
She was born in Staffordshire
Where was her husband born?
I can't see him in Lincs on any census, so it looks as though my suggestion about Lincs PR's is not valid If we are to help to find the info you are asking for, we need to know where people were born
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MargaretM
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17 Sep 2014 11:24 |
A tree on Ancestry has Richard Hart (1732-1780) with parents Richard Hart & Elizabeth Barton.
This tree says that he was married first to Mary Clements in 1746, aged 14 then married Sarah Godbill in 1763.
However, as with a lot of trees on Ancestry there seems to be mistakes. A son William Hart born 1763 listed under both wives and a John Hart born 1765 listed under first wife.
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whobstu
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17 Sep 2014 11:30 |
My Grandfather was Born in Lincolnshire The Harts side are mostly known for being from either Lincolnshire or Cambridgeshire
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Jacqueline
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17 Sep 2014 11:32 |
Not exactly detailed info, gems.
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MargaretM
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17 Sep 2014 11:42 |
From which child of Richard Hart 1732 do you descend?
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whobstu
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17 Sep 2014 11:51 |
Margee - His son WIlliam Hart 1763
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Chris Ho :)
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17 Sep 2014 11:54 |
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hart-3968
(on above, from google search)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(might be useful above)
Chris :)
John Hart's Parents? - Genes Reunited www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1328103?page...
16 Jul 2013 - 9 posts - ?4 authors According to the 41 census Sarah Sr. was 45, Sarah Jr. 20 and John 15 but take ... I believe his parents were Richard Hart and Sarah Godbill.
Error Thread does not exist
(somebody had above)
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchbs.cfm
(above has Parish Records, Whittlesey, think I added before, somewhere!)
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Gee
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17 Sep 2014 12:17 |
Hi
Is this your G grandfather's Probate?
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name:Alfred Hart of 6 Sea View Street
Probate Date:11 Mar 1942
Death Date:7 Nov 1941
Death Place:Lincolnshire, England
Registry:Lincolnshire, England Probate to: Charles Henry Hart - Builder £716
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Gee
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17 Sep 2014 12:26 |
Have you got Alfred and Laura's marriage certificate to check the details
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name:Alfred Hart
Spouse Surname:Laura M Bailey
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district:Grimsby
Inferred County:Lincolnshire
Volume Number:7a
Page Number:1293
Alfred may have lived in Lincs but there is no birth registered there using the details that you have given
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Chris Ho :)
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17 Sep 2014 12:34 |
Burial County Lincolnshire Place Cleethorpes Church Municipal Cemetery RegisterNumber BurialDate 12 Nov 1941 Forename Alfred Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname HART Age 54 Abode Seaview St Notes Died 07 Nov 1941 Grimsby Hospital
(above on below)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
Births Jun 1887 (>99%) -------------------------------------------- Hart Alfred Whittlesey 3b 596
(possibly above?)
National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find My Past) First name(s) LAURA MINNIE Last name HART Birth year 1890 Death year 1967 Age 77 Burial year 1967 Burial day 12 Burial month 12 Place CLEETHORPES Church description CEMETERY Church denomination CEMETERY County Lincolnshire Country England
Births Dec 1890 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- Bailey Laura Minnie Stone 6b 23
(above 1911 Grimsby, Lincs. Parents, James and Maria, her Occ. Shorthand Typist Clerk)
Births Mar 1893 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ Bailey Laura Manie Loughbro' 7a 131
(above 1911 Leics. Parents William and Sharlot (as Charlotte 1901) her Occ. Hosiery Mender)
(above possibles)
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Jacqueline
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17 Sep 2014 12:35 |
If you'd been willing to give full details, I'd quite happily have looked at LIncs PR's for you
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whobstu
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17 Sep 2014 12:52 |
Chris one of those links you have sent has been really helpful, but it goes on and as it hit the 1500's our names change to the spelling of Harte. Which has really confused me now haha!
Gins the marriage details look correct.
What sort of details do you need Jacqueline?
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whobstu
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17 Sep 2014 13:14 |
I have managed to get back to 1575!!! (Thanks for the link Chris) But I've stopped because the name changes to Harte from Hart.... I'm so confused!!!!!!!!!!!! :-S
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Chris Ho :)
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17 Sep 2014 13:19 |
Not unusual to find name changes as you go back...
Don't confuse yourself too much, work back from present with Certs., and then you need Parish Records, remembering, not all are online!.
Chris :)
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Gee
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17 Sep 2014 13:34 |
I think the birth that Chris posted it very possibly 'your' Alfred
1911 England Census
Name:Alfred Hart
Age in 1911:23
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1888
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish:New Sarum
County/Island:Wiltshire
Street address:59 Park Street, Salisbury
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:Jewellers Assistant
Registration district:Salisbury
Registration District Number:253 Sub-registration district:Salisbury
ED, institution, or vessel:3 Household schedule number:91 Piece:12106
Household Members:
Thomas W H Snelling 56 Agnes Kate Snelling 52 Elsie Kate Snelling 24 Agnes Bessie Snelling 20 Gilbert Harry Snelling 14 Gerald Marshall Snelling 12 Walter Snelling 11 Ronald William Snelling 5 William Henry Hurrell 42 Frederick George Nicholls 22 Alfred Hart 23 Ethel Emily Clifford You really need the 1916 marriage certificate and then the birth that Chris has posted.
I cant see a death for the above Alfred in a similar area to the census, so things are pointing to the death in 1941
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17 Sep 2014 13:58 |
1901
Name: Alfred Hart Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: Alfred Hart Mother: Sarah E Hart Birth Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Whittlesey Ecclesiastical parish: Whittlesey St Mary Town: Whittlesey County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Whittlesey Sub-registration district: Whittlesey ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1552 Folio: 77 Page Number: 22 Household schedule number: 163 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Hart 51, Plumber Sarah E Hart 52 Jessie Ann Hart 18 Alfred Hart 13
All born Whittlesey.
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17 Sep 2014 14:06 |
1891
Name: Alfred Hart Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah E Hart Gender: Male Where born: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Whittlesey Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Whittlesey County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Plumber & Glazier & Boot & Shoe dealer
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Whittlesey Sub-registration district: Whittlesey ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1302 Folio: 60 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Hart 41 Sarah E Hart 42 Fred Hart 19 Herbert H Hart 15 Jessie A Hart 8 Alfred Hart 4 Charles Male 70, Father in Law Ruth Anker 15 Servant
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17 Sep 2014 14:19 |
Name: John Hart Registration Year: 1843 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Whittlesey Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Cambridgeshire Volume: 14 Page: 169 Records on Page: Name Valentine Bates John Hart Lydia Sudderick
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