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16 Sep 2014 15:26 |
Please can you see if you can find Jane Abel on the 1861 census.
She was a widow.
This is her on the 51 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place DAVID ABEL HEAD MARRIED Male 26 1825 SILVER PLATER BIRMINGHAM Image Transcription JANE ABEL WIFE MARRIED Female 24 1827 SILVER PLATER WIFE TEWKESBURY, GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription W DAVID ABEL SON UNMARRIED Male 15 1836 AT HOME BIRMINGHAM Image Transcription
Street HOUSES 3 COURT Parish BIRMINGHAM City or borough BIRMINGHAM
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16 Sep 2014 15:29 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 19, Trent Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jane Able Head Married Female 35 1826 Painter Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England Transcription Elizabeth Able Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription Charles Able Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Transcription David Able Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Transcription William Batchford Father Widower Male 66 1795 - Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England
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16 Sep 2014 15:38 |
Thank you safc
thats the correct family.
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16 Sep 2014 15:49 |
Name: David Abel Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Jane Batchford Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 25 Dec 1852 Event Place: St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England Father's Name: William Abel Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: William Batchford Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00729-0 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1545606 Reference ID: it 263, p 132, no 65
Citing this Record: "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFDV-3MR : accessed 16 Sep 2014), David Abel and Jane Batchford, 25 Dec 1852; citing St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England, reference it 263, p 132, no 65; FHL microfilm 1545606.
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16 Sep 2014 15:56 |
safc. On the 1861 it says Jane is married. Please can you see if you can find David her husband. Jane is still having children in 1879 but there is no sign of David.
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Jane
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16 Sep 2014 16:47 |
She still says she's married on the 1881 census and she has a 2 yr old son there even though she's 57.
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16 Sep 2014 16:47 |
1881 (Find My Past. Reference) Jane Abel Head Married Female 57 1824 - Gloucestershire, England Charles Abel Son Married Male 26 1855 Painter House Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England David Abel Son Married Male 24 1857 Labourer (Works) (Gen) Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Fredk Abel Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England John Abel Son Single Male 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Alice Abel Daughter Married Female 27 1854 - Drayton, Norfolk, England Lucy Abel Daughter Married Female 24 1857 - Bham, Warwickshire, England House number 2 House name Court Street Nelson St South Parish Birmingham County Warwickshire Country England Registration district Birmingham Archive reference RG11 Piece number 2981 Folio 39 Page 13
(says Married for Alice and Lucy?)
1871 Jane Abel Head - Female 46 1825 - Gloucestershire, England Elizabeth Abel Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Warwickshire, England Charles Abel Son - Male 16 1855 - Middlesex, England David Abel Son - Male 14 1857 - Middlesex, England Frederick Abel Son - Male 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England Street High Street Court House Parish Aston City Birmingham County Warwickshire Country England Registration district Aston Archive reference RG10 Piece number 3134 Folio 71 Page 13
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Births Jun 1868 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------- Abel Frederick Sheffield 9c 379
(Son perhaps)
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16 Sep 2014 16:51 |
On the 1881 census it is possible that Alice and Lucy should be daughter in law and perhaps John (aged 2) should be Grandson
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16 Sep 2014 16:54 |
1881 census
Jane Abel
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Tukesbury, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: Court 2 2 Nelson St Sth
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 2981
Folio: 39
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name
Age
Jane Abel 57 Charles Abel 26 David Abel 24 Fredk. Abel 12 John Abel 2 Alice Abel 27 Lucy Abel 24
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16 Sep 2014 16:58 |
Thanks Margee, Chris and Pam for all your help. It did enter my head that some of those children could be grand children rather than her children.
I will have to copy all this information down and then decide what my next move will be.
Thanks again for all your help
Jane.
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16 Sep 2014 17:31 |
There is this Death Registration for a David Abel of about the right age. Place of death coincides with place of birth for Frederick.
Deaths Mar 1883 (>99%)
Abel David 57 Sheffield 9c 304
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16 Sep 2014 21:14 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry) Name: David John Abel (Iron? Worker) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Age: 23 Spouse: Lucy Waite Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Apr 1880 Parish: Christ Church, Southwark Borough: Southwark Father Name: David Abel (Silver Spinner) Spouse Father: William Waite Register Type: Parish Register (abode, 25, Collingwood St. for both, wits. William Hayes, Elizabeth Hayes)
(saw above, not sure if you have!)
Births Jun 1857 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- Abel David John Clerkenwell 1b 479
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17 Sep 2014 07:03 |
THanks Chris and Pam for all your help. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I will have a look at all the information you have given me and then send for a couple of certs to confirm things.
All the best
Jane.
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