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Please can you see if you can find Jane Abel on the 1861 census.

She was a widow.

This is her on the 51
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
DAVID ABEL HEAD MARRIED Male 26 1825 SILVER PLATER BIRMINGHAM Image Transcription
JANE ABEL WIFE MARRIED Female 24 1827 SILVER PLATER WIFE TEWKESBURY, GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
W DAVID ABEL SON UNMARRIED Male 15 1836 AT HOME BIRMINGHAM Image Transcription

Street HOUSES 3 COURT
Parish BIRMINGHAM
City or borough BIRMINGHAM

Thanks

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, Trent Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Able Head Married Female 35 1826 Painter Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England
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Elizabeth Able Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Charles Able Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
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David Able Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
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William Batchford Father Widower Male 66 1795 - Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England

Thank you safc

thats the correct family.

Jane

Name: David Abel
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Jane Batchford
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 25 Dec 1852
Event Place: St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England
Father's Name: William Abel
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Batchford
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00729-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545606
Reference ID: it 263, p 132, no 65



Citing this Record:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFDV-3MR : accessed 16 Sep 2014), David Abel and Jane Batchford, 25 Dec 1852; citing St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England, reference it 263, p 132, no 65; FHL microfilm 1545606.

safc. On the 1861 it says Jane is married. Please can you see if you can find David her husband. Jane is still having children in 1879 but there is no sign of David.

Thanks for your help

Jane

She still says she's married on the 1881 census and she has a 2 yr old son there even though she's 57.

1881 (Find My Past. Reference)
Jane Abel Head Married Female 57 1824 - Gloucestershire, England
Charles Abel Son Married Male 26 1855 Painter House Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
David Abel Son Married Male 24 1857 Labourer (Works) (Gen) Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Fredk Abel Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
John Abel Son Single Male 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Alice Abel Daughter Married Female 27 1854 - Drayton, Norfolk, England
Lucy Abel Daughter Married Female 24 1857 - Bham, Warwickshire, England
House number 2
House name Court
Street Nelson St South
Parish Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Birmingham
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2981
Folio 39
Page 13

(says Married for Alice and Lucy?)


1871
Jane Abel Head - Female 46 1825 - Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Abel Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Warwickshire, England
Charles Abel Son - Male 16 1855 - Middlesex, England
David Abel Son - Male 14 1857 - Middlesex, England
Frederick Abel Son - Male 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
Street High Street Court House
Parish Aston
City Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Aston
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 3134
Folio 71
Page 13

Chris :)

Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
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Abel Frederick Sheffield 9c 379

(Son perhaps)

On the 1881 census it is possible that Alice and Lucy should be daughter in law and perhaps John (aged 2) should be Grandson

1881 census

Jane Abel

Age:
57

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1824

Relationship to Head:
Head

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Tukesbury, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish:
Birmingham

County/Island:
Warwickshire

Country:
England

Street address:
Court 2 2 Nelson St Sth

Marital Status:
Married

Registration district:
Birmingham

Sub-registration district:
St Martin

ED, institution, or vessel:
5

Piece:
2981

Folio:
39

Page Number:
13

Household Members:
Name

Age

Jane Abel 57
Charles Abel 26
David Abel 24
Fredk. Abel 12
John Abel 2
Alice Abel 27
Lucy Abel 24

Thanks Margee, Chris and Pam for all your help. It did enter my head that some of those children could be grand children rather than her children.

I will have to copy all this information down and then decide what my next move will be.

Thanks again for all your help

Jane.

There is this Death Registration for a David Abel of about the right age. Place of death coincides with place of birth for Frederick.


Deaths Mar 1883 (>99%)

Abel David 57 Sheffield 9c 304

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)
Name: David John Abel (Iron? Worker)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 23
Spouse: Lucy Waite
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Apr 1880
Parish: Christ Church, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: David Abel (Silver Spinner)
Spouse Father: William Waite
Register Type: Parish Register
(abode, 25, Collingwood St. for both, wits. William Hayes, Elizabeth Hayes)

(saw above, not sure if you have!)


Births Jun 1857 (>99%)
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Abel David John Clerkenwell 1b 479

Chris :)

THanks Chris and Pam for all your help. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I will have a look at all the information you have given me and then send for a couple of certs to confirm things.

All the best

Jane.