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Still keep coming back to this...even though I think I have ruled it out and dates don't fit.....why did I have this "bright idea".....

Smith Harold Leonard I. Wight 2b 599

So that two certs I seem to have set myself up to buy....

Misty x

Ahhhhh still looking for that one !!!!

So far nothing ties in with birth date given on death registration....

Nothing in name Churchill on IOW

I was excited to tell friend all but then realized still no concrete proof.....

Misty x

Edit...in actual fact I have proved nothing except who the Arthur and Kate in 1911 census with a child Harold are......!!!!!

so is harold registered as Smith then ??

H Shirley,

I searched Arthur Churchill, 1873, Hampshire (taken from 1911 census, replacing London with Hampshire)......

Fredderick Arthur (Longman) Churchill came up on Churchill/Cake family tree and I set to work.....

Frederick A C Longman married Jessie Newbery......left her and lived with Kathleen (Kate) Smith who I believe is Harold Leonard's mother

Misty x

Pork butcher in 1901, don't think him and Kate ever married as Jessie was still alive(although cant find her in 1911) He got "rid" of Frederick and Longman to become Arthur Churchill with new family....

How did you get to him ?


This one then

First name(s) FREDERICK ARTHUR C
Last name LONGMAN
Birth year 1873
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ANDOVER
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 217
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Thanks All.....info given here put me on correct track, turned out to be....

Frederick Arthur Churchill Longman and his somewhat complex family....lot of info found but what started out as a quick search....turned into hours, should have known it would !!!!!

Misty x

my info from LDS site - www.familysearch.org

Any thoughts please, Jacqueline has given details below but its seems awful odd and a huge coincidence same on both marriages....

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Arthur Lindsay Maury Churchill
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 May 1909
Marriage Place: Mevagissey, Cornwall, England.............................
Spouse: Kate Louisa Cousins
FHL Film Number: 1596055
Reference ID: item 10 p 222

( above couple found on 1911 census so ruled out )


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Arthur Lindsay M Churchill
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Faringdon...................
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 607
Kate Louisa Cousins

Misty x

There's another Arthur - Kate combo in 1911, which is more likely to be the couple who married in 1909


The husband died in 1917, having been born in Ceylon

CHURCHILL ARTHUR LINDSAY MAURY — 1917 1917 Deaths & burials Cornwall, England

So that definitely rules out that marriage

.........trouble is, there doesn't actually seem to be one!

and I can't find an Arthur Churchill, butcher, on a census before 1911

!!! I wonder if he was adopted....

Births Sep 1909
Smith Harold Leonard I. Wight 2b 599

Misty x

Edit.....ruled out, found on 1911 with parents

No sign of a birth for Phyllis in Isle of Wight district

Thank you Margee, Shirley and Jacqueline

Am going to follow the Curchill's see if I can find a link, if not, I shall pop and buy the cert on Monday...

Ann and Jacqueline... great find, I hope its the right family....thank you

Misty x

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
CHURCHILL Arthur Lindsay M Faringdon 2c 607
COUSINS Kate Louisa Faringdon 2c 607

If I have found the correct marriage, it looks like they married after the birth of Harold

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Compton Cottages Compton Walls, Hampshire, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Arthur Churchill Head Married Male 38 1873 London Butcher Transcription
Kate Curchill Wife Married Female 28 1883 London - Transcription
Harold Curchill Son - Male 2 1909 Isle of Wright - Transcription
Frederick Curchill Son - Male 0 1911 Southampton - Transcription
Annie Curchill Daughter - Female 5 1906 Isle of Wright School Transcription
Phylix Curchill Daughter - Female 4 1907 Isle of Wright

The way the records are laid out, I wonder if the girls have a different mother, or was the father just sexist?

Frederick?

He shows as 2or 4 months on the census page (it's blurred )

Births Mar 1911
Churchill Frederick H Southampton 2c 2

Maybe for Annie
Births Mar 1905
Churchill Annie Southampton 2c 28

Still not seeing a birth for him though on Isle of Wight

From Ancestry:


1911 England Census about Harold Curchill
Name: Harold Curchill
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Isle of Wight, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Compton Cottage, Compton Walk
Registration district: Southampton
Registration District Number: 99
Sub-registration district: Southampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 356
Piece: 5958
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Curchill 38
Kate Curchill 28
Harold Curchill 2
Frederick Curchill 4/12
Annie Curchill 5
Phylis Curchill 4
David Gale 40
Henrietta Gale 42
Aarthur Gale 8
Frances Gale 4

Arthur's name is Churchill, the others are missing the first h.

The Gales are not on that page.

Ann...found on Ancestry now....didn't spot it was spelled Curchill at first !!!

Misty x

Hi both....

Shirley...that's what I'm thinking too

Ann....where did you find that record please, I cant see it on Ancestry, looks interesting his wife's mothers family were from IOW...

Misty x

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Name: Harold Curchill
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Birthplace: Isle Of Wright, Hampshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Southampton
Sub-District: Southampton Eastern
County: Hampshire