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The 1911 Census shows the Turner family living in Bedford, Bedfordshire and lists family members as follows: Florence 40, 1871, Roger snr 39 1872, Roger jnr 16 1895, Harold 12 1899, Cyril 9 1902 and Victor & Violet both 11 mths.
I have been researching Roger jnr 1895, as he came to Aust and enlisted in the AIF in 1914, then married my G/Aunt Emily Hind at Grantham in 1919, before they both returned to Australia. I would be interested in finding out more about the Turner family, especially the parents Roger and Florence and their ancestors etc,
Thank you in advance. :-)

are you looking also for descendants of his siblings Daria? you can look at freebmd for marriages, but probably their names are too common for certainty

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

have you identified his parents marriage, to search for any children born after 1911? (the mother's surname is included starting in that year and can be used to search)

you can also look for deaths of the boys at least ... this is easier at Ancestry where it is much easier to specify a year of birth

even Cyril's name is very common ...

all available info is needed too of course, for instance in 1911

Name: Cyril Turner
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
>> Birth Place: Clapham, London, England
Civil Parish: Kennington
County/Island: Bedfordshire

so this is his birth

Births Mar 1902
TURNER Cyril Wandsworth 1d 670

... no middle name for tracing


the info in the 1911 census can be used to search for the parents in earlier censuses

Name: Roger Turner
Age in 1911: 39
> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
> Birth Place: Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England

Name: Florence Turner
Age in 1911: 40
> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Wife
> Birth Place: Kingscross, London, England



have you searched at this site for any family members?

1911 census says they were married 16 years, that would be abt 1895. Since Florence and oldest children were born London this could be the marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Roger Turner Name: Roger Turner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 22
Spouse: Florence Elizabeth Single
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Oct 1894
Parish: Holy Trinity, Clapham
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Ames John Turner
Spouse Father: John Single
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Cyril Turner Name: Cyril Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1902
Father's Name: Roger Turner
Mother's name: Florence Elizabeth Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham Holy Trinity
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Harold Turner Name: Harold Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Aug 1898
Father's Name: Roger Turner
Mother's name: Florence Elizabeth Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham Holy Trinity
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Roger was baptised same day. He was born 24 March 1895.
Harold was born 19 June 1898.

Possibly Florence's birth. I think she lied about her age at marriage so she wouldn't appear older than husband.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Florence Elizabeth Single Name: Florence Elizabeth Single
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Nov 1870
Father's Name: John Single
Mother's name: Jane Single
Parish or Poor Law Union: Somers Town St Mary the Virgin
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 21 Oct. 1870.

Big thanks to all posters. I started this research for cousins in Queensland, as Roger jnr was their grandfather and he left their grandmother (my G/Aunt Emily) I think in the 1930's, at least prior to the Second War. His family had no more contact with him, and naturally are curious as to his background. I did find where he had re-married in Australia, and so I thought I would go "backwards" Just as a point of interest, his first wife Emily Turner nee Hind, at sometime travelled back to the UK to Grantham, prior to and during the War with her two children John (dec) and Joan (dec) after her husband left her. Eventually they did all return to Queensland. Once again thanks everyone. :-)

Cambridgeshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)
First Name ROGER
Last Name TURNER
Abode otp
Place KIRTLING
Mother's Given Name Mary Ann
Father's First Name Amos
Father occupation beer house keeper
County Cambridgeshire
Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Chris :)


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 (Ancestry)
Name: Amos John Turner
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1855
Baptism Place: Wickhambrook, Suffolk, England
Father: George Turner
Mother: Rachel
FHL Film Number: 1657479
Reference ID: p 43

(possibly above)

1851
George Turner Head Married Male 31 1820 Farm Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Rachel Turner Wife Married Female 29 1822 - Cambridgeshire, England
Hannah Turner Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar At Home Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Ann Turner Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar At Home Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Amos John Turner Son - Male 5 1846 Scholar At Home Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Isabella Turner Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Agnes Turner Daughter - Female - - - Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Hannah Ginn Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 Nurse Kirtling, Cambridgeshire,England
Parish Kirtling
County Cambridgeshire
Registration district Newmarket
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1762
Folio 148
Page 30

1881 (Find My Past)
Amos J Turner Head Married Male 35 1846 Carrier & Dealer Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Mary A Turner Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Roger Turner Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Rachel Turner Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Alice Turner Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Ivan Turner Son Single Male 0 1881 - Kirtling, Cambridgeshire, England
Parish Kirtling
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Registration district Newmarket
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1674
Folio 74
Page 13

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=sarahdahman&id=I02985

First name(s) EMILY
Last name TURNER
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 53
Birth year 1893
Departure year 1946
Departure day 8
Departure month 6
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port SYDNEY
Destination SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name TYNDAREUS
Ship official number 137527
Ship master's first name E C
Ship master's last name RADFORD
Shipping line THE BLUE FUNNEL LINE
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship registered tonnage 7185
Number of passengers 99
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

People with same last name on this voyage
State First name(s) Last name Title
New South Wales JOAN M TURNER MISS Age 25, Telephone Operator
New South Wales JOHN D TURNER - Age 18, Horticulturalist

You should be able to find Roger and Florence on the 1881 census, which is free on the familysearch site

You people are fantastic, I am sure the relatives in Queensland are going to be so please to receive all this information. Once again, thanks to all. Just one more question, is there any way to find what year Emily Turner arrived in the UK after leaving Australia. I would say mid 1930's, going by her son John's age, because when he was alive, he told me that he had gone to school in England when they moved back there, before returning to Aust in 1946. I seem to recall he mentioning "about 8 years old", but he was quite elderly when he said this. And just a bit of trivia, whilst they were living in Grantham, "he went to School with Margaret Roberts (Thatcher). :-)

I've just looked at the image for the travel info, and their last UK address was
c/o 139 King Street, Hodthorpe, Worksop. Notts
oh, and they travelled 1st Class

I'm afraid I can't help with their arrival, as those records aren't on FMP

I think they may be on Ancestry, so perhaps someone with access to that site will be able to look for you

Jacqueline, is that the address prior to their departure in 1946 ? I always assumed they would have stayed in Grantham, as Emily had a rather well off Auntie there, who was a widow, and I am also assuming that she paid for them to go back to England when Roger jnr left her and the children, and she probably paid for them to return to Australia in 1946, after the War.
:-)

Just had a look at Hodthorpe on a map, and now I see another piece of the puzzle, because it is near Whitwell, where another of Emily's Aunt's lived. In fact I have visited the farm at Whitwell, and met the current owners. So it makes sense that they may have lived nearby. :-)

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 (Ancestry)
Name: Master J Turner
Birth Date: abt 1929
Age: 7
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 7 May 1936
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage:
Brisbane
[Sydney]
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Suez]
Ship Name: Oronsay

(with Mrs. E. Miss. J. Proposed UK address, 4, North Street, Grantham, Lincs.)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris ! That's the one, ties in with what John Turner told me before he passed away, that he was about 8 years old when they went back to the UK. The address in Grantham is that of their Aunt Susan, who owned the Fish & Game shop, and who I believe funded their return. :-)

Is there any site where you can find out who exactly owned a certain property in the UK ? I am interested in know who actually owned 139 King St, Hodthorpe, Worksop Notts. in about 1946 - 49 ? Thank you.