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1 Sep 2014 21:35 |
I am looking for the parents of Lilian Harris. I have limited information as she died whilst my grandma was young, my grandma seems to remember Lilian's father being called John and mother Annie/Ann. Information I have is below...
Lilian Harris died 1949
Spouse - Alfred David Roberts - born 1906 (Liverpool) - died 03/05/1941 (5 Plimsoll Street, Liverpool) WW2 Firewatcher Spouse Father - David Roberts 1866-1935 Spouse Mother - Jemima Kelsall 1867-1942
Daughter - Eileen Roberts born 30/01/1936 (Liverpool) Son-In-Law - Colin Smith born 1935 - died 28/02/2014 (Liverpool)
Daughter - Lilian Roberts born 1934 - died 2012
Son/Step-Son (need to confirm with my grandma if sons are Lilian's or Alfred's) David (died young) Donald
Sisters & Brothers (sorry no DOB's) Gertrude Elizabeth - died of heat attack Canada before Lilian died Nan? Nancy??? - died before Lilian Alfred George
If anyone could shed any light I would be grateful, as this is the last strand of my family tree and my grandma has no idea of her past and would love to find out.
Any questions let me know and i will see if I can find out more, thanks in advance
Phil
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patchem
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1 Sep 2014 21:45 |
Welcome to the boards, Phil.
Why do you not apply for the marriage certificate of Lilian and Alfred for her Father's name?
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1 Sep 2014 21:46 |
Where was Lilian born ?
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Phil
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1 Sep 2014 21:52 |
Have been looking for a marriage between Lilian Harris and Alfred David Roberts and cannot find one, I was thinking they may not have married as my grandma has half brothers David/Donald who were older than herself??
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Phil
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1 Sep 2014 21:54 |
We believe Lilian was born Liverpool but not 100% There is a link to Wales apparently but cannot confirm this as my grandma sister Lilian died a few years back and she was the one who mentioned this.
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1 Sep 2014 21:54 |
Marriage?
Marriages Dec 1933 Fox Lilian Roberts Liverpool 8b 496 Roberts Alfred D Fox Liverpool 8b 496
Had Lilian been married before (you mention step-children)
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patchem
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1 Sep 2014 22:00 |
Births Mar 1925 Fox David Harris Liverpool 8b 422 Births Mar 1927 Fox Donald Harris Liverpool 8b 474
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Phil
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1 Sep 2014 22:02 |
Hi patchem.
My grandma had half brothers Donald (presumed dead) and David (died young). I have been able to trace Alfred Davids side and dont believe he previously married so i presume they are Lillian's Sons, so a previous marriage for Lillian could be a possibility.
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1 Sep 2014 22:04 |
How old was Lilian when she died?
Thanks
Added: This one?
England & Wales, Death Index, Lilian Roberts Birth Date: abt 1895 Date of Registration: Dec 1949 Age at Death: 54 Registration district: Liverpool South Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10d Page: 493
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Phil
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1 Sep 2014 22:10 |
My Grandma's say's young, she is not certain as she was 13 at the time, 1949 is certain YoD. All family records got destroyed in Liverpool Blitz in what Alfred Roberts died. She also strongly believe's Lilian's dad was John Harris and mother Annie/Ann.
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1 Sep 2014 22:24 |
Marriages Mar 1890 Davies George Salford 8d 156 Harris John Salford 8d 156 >>>>>>>> Hathaway Annie Joyce Salford 8d 156 >>>>>>> Sauce John Salford 8d 156 Troy Mary Salford 8d 156
Maybe not as there's no Lilian with them on the 1901 census
Name: John Harris Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Annie J Harris Birth Place: Stanton Lacy, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:beer seller (pub)
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3729 Folio: 41 Page Number: 21 Household schedule number: 123 Household Members: Name Age John Harris 41 Annie J Harris 34 Alice A T Harris 9 Annie Harris 8 Clara Harris 4 Annie A Hathaway 28 niece
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3729; Folio: 41; Page: 21.
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1 Sep 2014 22:25 |
Lillian Harris Birth Year: abt 1895 Age: 19 Marriage Date: 7 Nov 1914 Parish: Everton, St Cuthbert Spouse's Name: David Fox Father's Name: John Harris (warehouseman) Spouse Father's Name: Henry Fox Reference Number: 283 CUT/3/3
John Harris and Gertrude Harris are 2 of the witnesses.
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1 Sep 2014 22:27 |
This mother is not Ann/Annie:
Liverpool, England, Baptisms, Lilian Harris Birth Date: 2 Apr 1895 Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1895 Parish: Liverpool, St Peter Father's Name: John Edward Harris Mother's name: Susannah Harris Reference Number: 283 PET/2/94
Added: Not her. This one marries as Harris in 1917.
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1 Sep 2014 22:52 |
? 1911 England Census Lillian Harris Age in 1911: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Kirkdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 83 Walton Lane Kirkdale Liverpool Marital Status: Single Occupation: Stationary Folder School Registration district: West Derby Registration District Number: 455 Sub-registration district: Kirkdale ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Piece: 22446 John Harris 50 licensed warehouseman Mary Annie Harris 50 married 29 years, 10 children born, 6 living Alice Gertrude Harris 18 Lillian Harris 15 George Harold Harris 12 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 22446.
1901 England Census Lillian Harris Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: John Harris Mother: Mary A Harris Birth Place: Liverpool Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: North Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Piece: 3479 Folio: 81 Page Number: 35 Household schedule number: 237 John Harris 40 licensed warehouseman Mary A Harris 40 Enna Harris 18 Emily? William T Harris 14 John A Harris 10 Alice G Harris 8 Lillian Harris 5 George K Harris 2 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3479; Folio: 81; Page: 35.
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1 Sep 2014 22:59 |
1891 England Census John Harris Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Annie Harris Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Occupation: warehouse keeper Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: North Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 2957 Folio: 114 Page Number: 31 John Harris 30 Mary Annie Harris 30 Oldham Emily Harris 8 Annie Harris 5 William Valentine Harris 4 John Alfred Harris 1 Baby Harris 9/12 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2957; Folio: 114; Page: 31; GSU Roll: 6098067.
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1 Sep 2014 23:02 |
? Marriages Dec 1881 COLLINGE Mary Annie W Derby 8b 856 HARRIS John W. Derby 8b 856
You need to get a few birth and marriage certificates to confirm.
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Phil
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1 Sep 2014 23:05 |
I think these census tie in.
Father - John Harris - Correct Mother - Mary Annie Harris - This is where the "Annie" comes from
Alice Gertrude Harris - This must be Gertrude George Harold Harris - This must be George Enna Harris - This could be the nan link Lilian Harris - Age ties in john A Harris - is it John Alfred?
Only one missing would be Elizabeth, possibly oldest and left home or born after 1911
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