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3 Sep 2014 13:58 |
thank you so much mgnv I only got details about George Fox from his army records there was quite a lot of personal details which was helpful
You have been nice enough to update him and his family a bit more well done
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3 Sep 2014 08:36 |
1911 Census of Canada Home / 1911 / Nova Scotia / Cape Breton South / 3 Big Pond poll district / page 7-8 47 65 Fox George M Head M Dec 1863 47 48 65 Fox Mary A. F Wife M Feb 1869 42 49 65 Fox Olive J. G. F Daughter S Apr 1899 12 50 65 Fox Jan. T F Daughter S Mar 1900 10 1 65 Fox Edith F Daughter S Jan 1908 8 2 65 Fox Lydia F Daughter S Jan 1906 5
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001966275.pdf http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001966276.pdf
Anyone can search the 1921 and view transcriptions and images for free, but only via: http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
Ship:VICTORIAN Shipping Line:Allan Line Steamship Co. Port of Departure:Liverpool, England Date of Departure:1909-04-16 Port of Arrival:Halifax, N.S. Saint John, N.B. Date of Arrival:1909-04-23 1909-04 Year:1909 Microfilm Reel Number:T-4734 Reference:RG 76 Item Number:11951
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e148/e003682785.jpg [The image shows 2 groups of Fox's - our mob headed to Irish Cove NS, and 3 others headed to Winnipeg. However, it's an alphabetical list, and Fox isn't a really unusual name - I guess it's just coincidence.]
Irish Cove is abt 5km N of Johnstown, and Red Islands is abt 8km S of Johnstown - all are on the shore of Bras d'Or Lake, near the S end. Irish Cove is almost on the Richmond/Cape Breton county line. Alexr Graham Bell moved to the lake after his phone days - he got interested in hydroplanes and built a craft that set the world water speed record on the lake.
Since you give exact details for Geo's marr, I presume you've accesed: https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/
Using http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx Here's the 1881 for Richmond NS district, Red Islands subdistrict, showing Mary Ann McDonald a=10, d/o Michael & Ann, with sis Catherine a=13 & bro Roderick a=6 & other sibs, but the 2 I named were witnesses at Mary's marr. There's also a bro Neil a=4, but I don't know that he would be old enough to conduct the marr. http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e325/e008116527.pdf
NB 1871-1901, the Canadian nominal census day was within 1 d of the UK's; 1906-1921 it was in June.
1871 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/pdf/4396673_00630.pdf 1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148122-00524.pdf http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148122-00525.pdf [Ann is a widow, Mary Ann has a sis Mary Agnes a=5, and a sis Kate Ann a=9]
1901 Census of Canada Page Information District: NS RICHMOND (#39) Subdistrict: Red Islands L Page 2 Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6455 18 16 McDonald Neil M Head S Apr 17 1877 24 19 16 McDonald Katie F Sister S Jul 15 1884 16 20 16 McDonald Mary A F Sister S Feb 10 1887 14 21 16 McDonald Annie F Mother W Dec 5 1845 55
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z001/pdf/z000045966.pdf Schedule 2 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z001/pdf/z000045961.pdf [In 1901, Sched 2 had details of buildings, incl the addy - I've never seen a rural NS addy, and was disappointed to see it wasn't at all detailed - just "Irish Cove" Neil (the head of h/h) is on page 2, line 18 on Sched 1, so that's the key to his entry in Sched 2]
Katy A. MacDonald d/o Michael & Anny and Frank Cash married 4/2/1902 in Irish Cove, Cape Breton County Annie McDonald d/o Rail McNeil & Annie McNeil, died 2/9/1926 a=86 of Irish Cove, Richmond County - the informant was her daur Mrs Frank Cash. [Actually, she died in Hawksbury, Antigonish Co after 3 w of residence there - probably the nearest hospital is my guess.]
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Catherine
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1 Sep 2014 20:53 |
If the 1901 Canadian entry for Wm. Horton is your William then he was a patient at the time, so maybe he died in Canada at the same time?
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Mavis
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1 Sep 2014 18:58 |
Thanks you Catherine for update on George Fox -- that could be William Horton ??
I have access to Sussex Bp and deaths unsure about child that died -- if that had been William I would have thought It would have been in the deaths of Hellingly.
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Catherine
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1 Sep 2014 17:55 |
I know you probably already have this but here it is anyway:- Name: George Fox Birth Date: 1870 Birthplace: Sussex, Engld. Age: 27 Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Mcdonald Spouse's Birth Date: 1872 Spouse's Birthplace: Irish Cove Spouse's Age: 25 Event Date: 29 Sep 1897 Event Place: Johnstown, Richmond, Nova Scotia Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Mary Spouse's Father's Name: Michael Spouse's Mother's Name: Annie Marital Status: Single Spouse's Marital Status: Single Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M58642-3 , System Origin: Canada-EASy , GS Film number: 1298993 , Reference ID: p 126 cn 15
This may also be relevant to George:-
Name: George Fox Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1944 Arrival Port: Calais, Maine, Age: 74 Birth Year (Estimated): 1870 Birthplace: , Hellingly Eng Gender: Male Race: English Accompanied by Name: Wife Mary Ann Departure Contact Name: Daughter Mrs. Walter Withrow Arrival Contact Name: Daughter Mrs. George Rayner
Photograph Included: N Affiliate Publication Title: Alphabetical Manifest Cards of Alien Arrivals at Calais, Maine, ca. 1906-1952 , Affiliate Publication Number: M2042 , Affiliate Film Number: 3
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patchem
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1 Sep 2014 17:48 |
? 1921 Census of Canada George Fox Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 51 Birth Year: abt 1870 Birth Place: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Fox Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England Year of Immigration: 1909 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: Nova Scotia District: Cape Breton South and Richmond District Number: 53 Sub-District: Sydney (City) Sub-District Number: 3 City, Town or Village: Ward 2 Street or Township: 242 Esplanade Municipality: Sydney Occupation: Lockman Income: 1100 George Fox 51 Mary Fox 49 Nova Scotia Olive Fox 21 England Ida Fox 19 Western Sahara (Probably West Indies) Edith Fox 17 Gibraltar Lillian Fox 14 Malta John Fox 10 Nova Scotia Source Citation: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 40; Census Place: Sydney (City), Cape Breton South and Richmond, Nova Scotia; Page Number: 15.
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Catherine
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1 Sep 2014 17:46 |
This one has a link to Canada????
Name: Wm Horton Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: B, Toronto (east/est) (city/cité), Ontario, Canada Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Ethnicity: English Nationality: Canadian Religion: Church Of England Relationship to Head of Household: Patient Birthplace: England Birth Year (Estimated): 1877 Page: 3 No image available Search collection About this collection Citing this Record
"Canada Census, 1901," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHGN-XQF : accessed 01 Sep 2014), Wm Horton, B, Toronto (east/est) (city/cité), Ontario, Canada; citing p. 3, Public Archives, Ottawa, Ontario.
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Catherine
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1 Sep 2014 17:39 |
Name: William Horton Gender: Male Christening Date: 07 Oct 1877 Christening Place: Hellingly, Sussex, England Father's Name: William Horton Mother's Name: Mary Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C39072-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1067203 , Reference ID: item 8-10
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patchem
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1 Sep 2014 17:39 |
On the 1911 census, 7 children born, 6 living, 1 died.
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Catherine
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1 Sep 2014 17:34 |
for ref:-
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William Horton Head Married Male 61 1850 Sussex Hellingly Labour On Farm As Carter Image Transcription Mary Horton Wife Married Female 58 1853 Sussex Arlington - Image Transcription Lydia Horton Daughter Single Female 27 1884 Sussex Hellingly - Image Transcription George Horton Father Widower Male 85 1826 Sussex Hellingly Old Age Pensioner Image Transcription Amy Lydia Marchant Granddaughter - Female 5 1906 Sussex Billinghurst -
Married 36yrs children:- 7 (6 living and 1 died)
First name(s) William Last name Horton Relationship to household head Head Marital condition Married Gender Male Age 61 Birth year 1850 Birth place Sussex Hellingly Occupation Labour On Farm As Carter Address Horselunges Cottages Hellingly Parish Hellingly County Sussex Country England Registration district Hailsham Registration district number 72 Subdistrict Hellingly Subdistrict number 2 Enumeration district 10 Piece number 4881 Piece Number Suffix - Schedule number 3 Schedule Suffix - Census reference RG14PN4881 RG78PN211 RD72 SD2 ED10 SN3 Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Record collection Census Collections from Great Britain
1 child had died by 1911 so could be either William or George?
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1 Sep 2014 17:34 |
1891 for ref.
Name: William Horton Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Horton Gender: Male Where born: Hellingly, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Friston Ecclesiastical parish: Friston St James Town: Friston County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Eastbourne Sub-registration district: Eastbourne ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 775 Folio: 61 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age William Horton 41 Mary Horton 38 Frederick Horton 15 William Horton 13 Harriet Horton 11 Frank Horton 9 Lydia Horton 7 Edward Horton 4 Arthur G Horton 2 William Fox 22
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patchem
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1 Sep 2014 17:26 |
Have you looked to see if William or George are in trees on here, and then contacted the tree owners to see if they had more information?
Was William jnr with the family in 1911, and what was his occupation?
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Mavis
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1 Sep 2014 16:32 |
William Horton born 1877 Hellingly Sussex to William Horton 1850 and Mary Fox 1853. Mary and William had a son born before marriage George Fox 1870 in 1871 census he is with gr parents Arthur and Lydia Fox he is a George Horton 1881 Census with William and Mary Horton as George Fox he joined to army in 1888 -- converted to R C 1897 and married Mary Ann McDonald 29. 9. 1897 in Richmond, Nova Scotia. 4 daughters Plympton ,West Indies, Gibralta, Malta. may be more presume he lived in Canada when he finished serving 1920.
when William Horton 1850 died 1929 his obituary says he had 5 sons 2 daughters 1 son in Canada --- the mourners are Widow - Frederick and wife -- Frank and wife--- Arthur and Wife -- Edward and wife - daughters are Lydia and Harriet no mention of William or George [ if he is counted as a son??] I have looked for a death of William but wonder if he went to Canada
Would be please if anyone can see if William did go or if the reference to Canada was for George ??
Thank you Mavis
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