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jayne
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22 Aug 2014 15:14 |
Hi I am trying to find out the birth parents of my grandmother Constance Myrtle Holder born in 1911 in Horsham west sussex . And married Archie Grayling in 1933
And the birth Parents of Archie Grayling Born 1910 in Eastbourne west sussex .
I thank you for nay help in advance or where I need to go for information or if theres any grayling or Holder families with trees on here . I tried searching for a family tree for both and cant find one .
:-)
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:24 |
Welcome to the boards, Jayne.
A first step would be to buy their birth and marriage certificates, which would tell you their parents' names.
Births Jun 1911 (>99%) Holder Constance M Horsham 2b 269
Births Sep 1910 (>99%) GRAYLING Archie Eastbourne 2b 70
Marriages Jun 1933 (>99%) Grayling Archie Holder Eastbourne 2b 216 Holder Constance M Grayling Eastbourne 2b 216
Order from the GRO website, quoting the ref nos. above. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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Gritty
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22 Aug 2014 15:26 |
Death index gives DOB of 5th June 1911
Constance Myrtle Grayling Birth Date: 5 Jun 1911 Date of Registration: Oct 1985 Age at Death: 74 Registration district: Eastbourne Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 18 Page: 635
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:28 |
This looks like Archie in 1911 census:
1911 England Census about Archie Grayland Name: Archie Grayland Age in 1911: 8/12 Estimated birth year: abt 1910 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Eastbourne, Sussex Civil Parish: Eastbourne County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: 155 Langney Rd Eastbourne Registration district: Eastbourne Registration District Number: 71 Sub-registration district: Eastbourne ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 93 Piece: 4824 Household Members: Name Age George Goddard 60 Louisa Goddard 52 Herbert Grayland 35 - Lodger Hannah Grayland 26 - Herbert's wife Archie Grayland 8/12
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Jacqueline
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22 Aug 2014 15:31 |
Make freebmd your friend
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Look there for BMD info from 1837 to around the 1950's-60's
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:31 |
1901 England Census about Herbert Grayling Name: Herbert Grayling Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Stepson Gender: Male Mother: Elizabeth Luxford Birth Place: Eastbourne, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Pevensey Ecclesiastical parish: Pevensey St Nicholas Town: Pevensey County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Eastbourne Sub-registration district: Westham ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 878 Folio: 6 Page Number: 3 Household schedule number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Charles Luxford 50 Elizabeth Luxford 48 Percy Luxford 19 Charlie Luxford 12 Herbert Grayling 26 stepson - porter at unpholsterer Ellen Grayling 24 stepdaughter Percy Grayling 3 grandson
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Jacqueline
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22 Aug 2014 15:34 |
Three members have Archie Grayling 1910 in trees on this site.
Two of them (plus one other) also have Constance in their trees.
Do you know how to look for connections on here?
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:34 |
Herbert's mothers second marriage -
EDIT: actually only marriage - see 1881 census below, when she is single, not widowed:
Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%) GRAYLING Eliza Tunbridge 2a 1015 Grayling Elizabeth Tunbridge 2a 1015 LUXFORD Charles Tunbridge 2a 1015
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:39 |
In 1881, Charles was a boarder with Elizabeth (Bessy). She is unmarried, so presumably Herbert was illegitimate:
1881 England Census about Herbert Grayling Name: Herbert Grayling Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relationship to Head: Son Mother: Bessy A. Grayling Gender: Male Where born: Eastbourne, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Hailsham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: 9 Brook Street Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Hailsham Sub-registration district: Hailsham ED, institution, or vessel: 4a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1041 Folio: 66 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Bessy A. Grayling 27 Herbert Grayling 6 Henry Walls 18 - boarder Ebenezer Foreman 22 - boarder Benjamin J. Vine 21 - boarder Charles Luxford 29 - boarder Albert E. Rolfe 18 - boarder
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:48 |
As Constance was born too late to appear on the 1911 census, you'll need her birth or marriage cert to be sure of her parents.
However, there is this Holder family in Horsham in 1911, which may perhaps be hers:
1911 England Census about Mary Holder Name: Mary Holder Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Chichester, Sussex Civil Parish: Horsham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: 40 East Street Horsham Marital Status: Married Years Married: 13 Estimated Marriage Year: 1898 Occupation: Assistant in Business Registration district: Horsham Registration District Number: 81 Sub-registration district: North Horsham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 145 Piece: 5249 Household Members: Name Age Charles Holder 33 Mary Holder 43 Charles Holder 10 - son Cecil Goff 3 - nephew George Laker 64 - boarder
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2014 15:51 |
Also two other Holders, who could be possible for her mother:
1911 England Census about Alice Grace Holder Name: Alice Grace Holder [Alice Grace Hersey] Age in 1911: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1884 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex Civil Parish: Horsham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: 96 Station Road Horsham Sussex Marital Status: Married Registration district: Horsham Registration District Number: 81 Sub-registration district: North Horsham ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 36 Piece: 5256 Household Members: Name Age George Hersey 59 Elizabeth Hersey 60 Alice Grace Holder 27 - married daughter (She had a son in 1912, per FreeBMD)
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1911 England Census about Annie Holder Name: Annie Holder Age in 1911: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Cranley, Sussex Civil Parish: Horsham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Christ Hospital School West Horsham Sussex Marital Status: Single Occupation: House Maid Domestic Registration district: Horsham Registration District Number: 81 Sub-registration district: North Horsham ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Piece: 5274
(Lots of staff listed)
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jayne
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22 Aug 2014 18:51 |
Thank you everyone who gave me the info above it has been very interesting .. I am brand new at this so I just feeling my way and it has been really helpful to have such kindness shown to me ... I am looking forward to finding all about my family ty all so very very much xxx
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