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Somebody please save my sanity

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UzziAndHerDogs

UzziAndHerDogs Report 14 Aug 2014 09:29

;-)
I have Louisa Simper married to Lauchland Jones in 1863. On the marriage cert her father William was a tailor. she was 18 b 1845

I am trying to find her before 1863
I have found a Sarah Charlotte Simper b 1842 baptism 17th April 1844 Lambeth St John Father William a tailor mother Mary

In 1841
William Simper
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1063
Book: 6
Folio: 34
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Simper 30
Mary Simper 25
Elizabeth Simper 4
Mary Simper 1

Occupation was a tailor

Where is William or Louisa or even Sarah Charlotte in 1851 and 1861 ???

Any help will be greatly appreciated by myself and definitely my OH who likes to try and keep his wife slightly sane
:-D :-D :-D

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 Aug 2014 09:38

A tree on Ancestry has this


WILLIAM Simper
Birth abt 1814 in Surrey, England
Death Dec 1851 in Newington, Surrey, England

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 Aug 2014 09:45

Wondering about this family?

1851

Name: Sarah Simpers
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Handy Simpers
Mother's name: Sarah Simpers
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 1567
Folio: 384
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Handy Simpers 30
Sarah Simpers 38
Henry Simpers 10
Sarah Simpers 8
Mary Simpers 6
Eliza Simpers 4


EDIT

Not hem, father is actually Henry and he's a Cordwainer. Will leave in case he his related to your William.

UzziAndHerDogs

UzziAndHerDogs Report 14 Aug 2014 09:48

Thank you Rootgatherer

I will check the tree out but I think thats a different William

Edit to say right 1841 census on that tree but wrong William and family :-(

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 09:50

??

1841 England Census
about William Simper Name:William Simper
Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1811
Gender:Male
Where born:Surrey, England
Civil Parish:St Mary Newington
Hundred:Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation: Tailor
Registration district:Newington
Sub-registration district:St Mary

Household Members:

William Simper 30 (Tailor)
Mary Simper 25
Elizabeth Simper 4
Mary Simper 1





UzziAndHerDogs

UzziAndHerDogs Report 14 Aug 2014 09:56

Prickles I think that is the right 1841 census for them ...

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 09:58

Wife remarries in 1857...


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Richard Bashford Name:Richard Bashford
Estimated birth year:abt 1812
Age:45
Spouse: Mary Ann Simper
Spouse Age:38
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:2 Aug 1857
Parish:St Philip, Bethnal Green
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:Edward Bashford
Spouse Father:John Cridick (Shoe Maker)
Register Type:Parish Register




1861 England Census
about Richard Bashford Name:Richard Bashford
Age:45
Estimated birth year:1816
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary Ann Bashford
Gender:Male
Where born:Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish:Walworth St Peter
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England


Household Members:


Richard Bashford 45
Mary Ann Bashford 39
Charlotte Bashford 16
Louisa Bashford 15 <<<<<<<< ???????
Emily Bashford 12
Martha Bashford 1






rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 Aug 2014 10:13

Well found Prickles!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 10:15

Struggling to find Mary Ann Simper in 1851 :-(

UzziAndHerDogs

UzziAndHerDogs Report 14 Aug 2014 10:16

Prickles I think you are a sanity saver :-D
Didn´t think of Mary re-marrying and changing the surname of the children
It didn´t help that William wasn´´t down as deceased on Louisa´s marriage in 1863

I will go and check that all out >>>>>>>

Wouls still like to find the family in 1851 if possible ;-)

Choccy

Choccy Report 14 Aug 2014 10:18


Louisa on original (Ancestry)


1851 England Census

Name: Janna Timper

Age: 6

Estimated birth year:
abt 1845

Relation: Daughter

Father's Name: William Timper

Mother's name: Mary Timper

Gender: Female

Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Newington

Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:

County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Registration district:Newington
Sub-registration district:St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel:11

Household schedule number:44
Piece:1568
Folio:311
Page Number:9

William Timper 42 Tailor

Mary Timper 34

Isabella Timper 13

Mary Timper 10

Charlotte Timper 7

Janna Timper 6

Emily Timper 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1568; Folio: 311; Page: 9; GSU roll: 174802.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 10:23

Banns for William Simper and Mary Ann Cridick...

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Simper Name:William Simper (Bachelor)
Spouse: Mary Ann Cridick (Spinster)
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:28 Aug 1836
Parish:St George, Camberwell
Borough:Southwark
Register Type:Parish Register



Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Wm Simper Name:Wm Simper
Spouse:Mary Cridick
Marriage Date:1836
Parish:Camberwell

Choccy

Choccy Report 14 Aug 2014 10:24

FMP version


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Crown Square, Newington, Surrey, England


William Simpson Head Married Male 42 1809 Tailor

Mary Simpson Wife - Female 34 1817 Tailor

Isabella Simpson Daughter - Female 13 1838 Servant

Mary Simpson Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar

Charlotte Simpson Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar

Louisa Simpson Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar

Emily Simpson Daughter - Female 3 1848 At Home


Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 1568
Folio 311
Page 9

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 10:26

Mistranscribed as "Timper"


1851 England Census
about Charlotte Timper Name:Charlotte Timper
Age:7
Estimated birth year:abt 1844
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:William Timper
Mother's name:Mary Timper
Gender:Female
Where born:Newington, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Newington
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:


Household Members:


William Timper 42 (Tailor)
Mary Timper 34
Isabella Timper 13
Mary Timper 10
Charlotte Timper 7
Janna Timper 6 <<<<< Louisa on the image
Emily Timper 3







PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 10:28

Ah...Choccy beat me to it! :-D

UzziAndHerDogs

UzziAndHerDogs Report 14 Aug 2014 10:28

Choccy and Prickles well done and Rootgatherer
Thank you all so Much sanity saved <3 <3 <3 <3

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 11:12

Mary Ann Cridick's brother..........

She is a witness at his marriage.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Cridick Name:John Cridick (Bachelor) Stone Mason (Milk Street)
Spouse:Elizabeth Wilson (Spinster) Southampton Road
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:6 Dec 1847
Parish:St Mary, Newington
Borough:Southwark
Father Name:John Cridick (Shoemaker)
Spouse Father:William Wilson (Deceased)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: William Williams and Mary Ann Simper



1851 England Census
about John Cridick Name:John Cridick
Age:29
Estimated birth year:abt 1822
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Cridick
Gender:Male
Where born:Walworth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Newington

Household Members:

John Cridick 29 (Marble Polisher)
Elizabeth Cridick 31
Elizabeth Cridick 2
John Cridick 2 Mo

(On Ancestry as "Credich" on the 1861 census)

John age 30.........but the image reads age 39. (Widower)



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Cridick Name:Elizabeth Cridick
Registration Year:1858
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:Kensington
Inferred County:London
Volume:1a
Page:71


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Aug 2014 13:03

Children....


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Elizabeth Priscilla Cridick Name:Elizabeth Priscilla Cridick
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:15 Oct 1848
Father's Name:John Cridick (Stone Mason)
Mother's name:Elizabeth Cridick
Parish or Poor Law Union:Newington St Mary
Borough:Southwark
Register Type:Parish Registers



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Cridick Name:John Cridick
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:16 Feb 1851
Father's Name:John Cridick (Stone Mason)
Mother's name:Elizabeth Cridick
Parish or Poor Law Union:Newington St Mary
Borough:Southwark
Register Type:Parish Registers



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Cridick Name:Edward Cridick
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:7 May 1854
Father's Name:John Cridick (Marble Mason)
Mother's name:Elizabeth Cridick
Parish or Poor Law Union:Newington St Mary
Borough:Southwark
Register Type:Parish Registers

Father John died in 1878.......but I can't for the life of me find him on the 1871 census. :-|

UzziAndHerDogs

UzziAndHerDogs Report 14 Aug 2014 20:30

Prickles thank you ... <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3