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good morning can anyone help with the death of samuel jones born1837 in tipton I belive he died between 1873 and 1880 as on 1881 his wife elizabeth is married to someone else name john looks like margetts but not sure they lived in chapel street tipton thanks

have you tried looking on this free site although looking on census in 1871 there are a few with this name /year of birth and place of birth so finding the right one may not be easy.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

yes have tried that as you say not easy to know the right one

There are two possibles on Findmypast:-

First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name JONES
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1837
Age 40
Death quarter 2
Death year 1877
District DUDLEY
County Staffordshire
Volume 6C
Page 81

or:-

First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name JONES
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1838
Age 39
Death quarter 2
Death year 1877
District DUDLEY
County Staffordshire
Volume 6C
Page 24

Kath. x

Is this him in 1871, for reference?


1871 England Census about Samuel Jones
Name: Samuel Jones
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 101
Piece: 2997
Folio: 57
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Jones 34
Elizabeth Jones 27
William Jones 7
Eliza Jones 5
Mary A Jones 2

I'm not seeing a marriage for Elizabeth to John Margetts.

This must be the family Jacqueline means in 1881. William appears to have taken his stepfather's name, but Eliza and Mary haven't:

[EDIT: No, that William is John's son from his previous marriage, as per 1871]


1881 England Census about Mary A. Jones
Name: Mary A. Jones
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Step Daughter
Mother: Elizabeth Margetts
Gender: Female
Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tipton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Chapel St
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2863
Folio: 121
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
John Margetts 48
Elizabeth Margetts 38
William Margetts 18
Harriet Margetts 16
Eliza Jones 14
Mary A. Jones 11
Samuel Jones 9
Sarah A. Ford 19
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Elizabeth in 1881 from the familysearch website

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Name: Elizabeth Margetts
Age (Original): 38
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1843
Birthplace: Rowley, Worcestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Address: 8 Chapel St
Event Place: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2863 / 121
Page Number: 21
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Margetts Head M 48 Admington, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Margetts Wife F 38 Rowley, Worcestershire, England
William Margetts Son M 18 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Harriet Margetts Daughter F 16 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Eliza Jones Step Daughter F 14 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Mary A Jones Step Daughter F 11 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Jones Stepson M 9 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah A Ford Visitor F 19 Tipton, Staffordshire, England GS Film number: 1341686

John Margetts in 1871:


1871 England Census about John Margetts
Name: John Margetts
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Margetts
Gender: Male
Where born: Quinton, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 2997
Folio: 54
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Margetts 38
Catherine Margetts 46
Ann Margetts 17
Edward Margetts 14
Eliza Margetts 11
William Margetts 8
Harriet Margetts 6
John Thompson 22

William could be John's son from a prior union

Death of John's first wife:

Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
MARGETTS Catherine 49 Dudley 6c 15

Marriage of John & Elizabeth:

Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
Jones Elizabeth Dudley 6c 142
Margotts John Dudley 6c 142

Ah......no wonder.

Well done AgyllGran. :-)

Maggotts indeed!

The possible deaths for Samuel, in 1877, posted already by Kathleen, are the only two of the right age, in Dudley reg district, in the right time-slot.

Looks like you'll have to buy the certs to know which is the right one, Jacqueline.

Thanks everyone be back when i,ve digested it all thanks again :-)

sorted another request if poss samuel's mother and fathers marriage william jones born 1807 mother ann or anne born 1807 will in tipton ann in dudley but sometimes they put dudley for tipton or can some one tell me where to look thier oldest chiid was born in 1831 thanks

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 924
DateOfBirth 20 Sep 1837
BaptismDate 26 Nov 1837
Forename Samuel
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname JONES
MotherSurname
Abode Tipton
FatherOccupation Labourer

(if above him, worth a look on below)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

thank you chris sorry been so long answering just got in