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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Ann E Hernden Name:Ann E Hernden
Birth Date:abt 1841
Date of Registration:Sep 1928
Age at Death:87
Registration district:east Grinstead
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume:2b
Page:147

In case you do not have it, here is Elizabeth Ann on the 1911 Census, living with her daughter Olive and her husband ............



Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)

Hernden Olive Jane Rye 2b 13
Sargent Frederick Walter Rye 2b 13


1911 Census

Name: Ann Hernden
Age in 1911: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rye, Sussex
Civil Parish: Withyam
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: Lye Common Withyham Nr Tunbridge Wells
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: East Grinstead
Registration District Number: 75
Sub-registration district: Withyham

Frederick Sargent 41
Olive Sargent 37
Carrie Sargent 14
Frederick Sargent 13
Olive Sargent 9
James Sargent 7
Ellen Sargent 5
James Sargent 37
Ann Hernden 70
Walter Jones 48

the late marriage explains why the children's names are officially different :-)



according to a tree on ancestry, there were the following children ...............



William Henry Hearnden Gibbs
1860 – 1883

Thomas James Hearnden Gibbs
1862 – 1864

Ellen Jane Hearnden Gibbs
1863 – 1940

Frederick Henry Hearnden Gibbs
1865 – 1865

Annie Eliza Hearnden Gibbs
1867 –

David George Hearnden Gibbs
1869 – 1959

James Osborne Hearnden Gibbs
1870 –

Emily Harriet Hearnden Gibbs
1872 –

Percy Hearnden Gibbs
1873 –

Olive Jane Hearnden
1874 –

Alfred George Hearnden
1876 – 1877

Ada Hearnden
1878 –

Celia Stevenson Hearnden
1880 – 1890

Rose Jane Hearnden
1883 –



and here's some documentation for the children born after the marriage


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name: Olive Jane Hearnden
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 27 Dec 1874
Christening Date: 31 Jan 1879
Christening Place: Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening: 4
Father's Name: William Henry Hearnden
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann


Name: Alfred George Hearnden
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1876
Christening Date: 29 Sep 1877
Christening Place: Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: William Henry Hearnden
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann


Alfred died Dec quarter 1877


Name: Ada Hernden
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1878
Christening Date: 31 Jan 1879
Christening Place: Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: William Henry Hernden
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann


Name: Celia Stevenson Hernden
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Nov 1880
Christening Date: 22 Jun 1890
Christening Place: Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening: 9
Father's Name: William Henry Green Hernden
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann



Name: Rosa Jane Hernden
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 May 1883
Christening Date: 27 Jun 1890
Christening Place: Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening: 7
Father's Name: William Henry Green Hernden
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann

Ann Brett was born ca 1824, Rye, Sussex



William DID marry Elizabeth :-)



from freebmd ..................


Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)

GIBBS Ann Elizabeth Rye 2b 17
Green William Henry H Rye 2b 17



Elizabeth's forenames are just shown the other way round :-)


You might want to get this certificate, and see how they each describe themselves.

William should be shown as Widower

thank you everyone xxxx :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

It took a while but we got there in the end!

:-) :-) :-)

Thank you again, William's wife whom he legally married was Ann Brett :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

1851 England Census
about Willm H Hearnden Name:Willm H Hearnden
Age:28
Estimated birth year:abt 1823
Relation:Lodger
Gender:Male
Where born:Rye, Sussex, England
Civil Parish:Rye
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
Town:Rye
County/Island:Sussex
Country:England
Registration district:Romney Marsh
Sub-registration district:New Romney

Household Members:

Thomas Moon 60
Ann Moon 69
Willm H Hearnden 28
Ann Hearnden 27


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Ann Brett Name:Ann Brett
Registration Year:1850
Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:Rye
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume:7
Page:643

Ann Brett
William Henry Hernde
William Henry Hernden



1861 England Census
about William H Hearndon Name:William H Hearndon
Age:38
Estimated birth year:1823
Relation:Head
Gender:Male
Where born:Rye, Sussex, England
Civil Parish:Rye
Town:Rye
County/Island:Sussex
Country:England
Registration district:Rye
Sub-registration district:Rye


Household Members:

William H Hearndon 38
Elizabeth A Gibbs 21
William H H Gibbs 1
Thomas Moon 72

Hello SylvialnCanada, thank you for your reply. I just took it that a person then would not lie to officialdom, so your insight is very helpful, many thanks








:-) :-) :-) :-)

southwark .............


the fact that a couple are shown as married on a census really means nothing ...........................


common-law relationships were just as common back thn as they are now ................ only people generally didn't admit it to census takers, their neighbours, etc.



You might want to check to see if either William or Elizabeth had an erlier marriage ............... divorce was extremely difficult and expensive if the marriage broke down.


William is quite a bit older than Elizabeth, so I would suspect that it is he who has the previous marriage




One thing you often find is a marriage much later in life for a common-law couple ...................... which happens after an earlier spouse (or spouses) had died.

Hello Prickly/Holly - looks like they definitely were not married then and were "living" as man and wife. Thank you now I know William and Ann were not married. :-)

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about James Osborne Hernden Gibbs Name:James Osborne Hernden Gibbs
Gender: Male
Birth Date:23 Sep 1870
Christening Date:11 Oct 1872
Christening Place:Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening:2
Mother's name:Elizabeth Ann Gibbs



England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about David George Hernden Gibbs Name:David George Hernden Gibbs
Gender:Male
Birth Date:11 Jan 1869
Christening Date:11 Oct 1872
Christening Place:Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening:3
Mother's name:Elizabeth Ann Gibbs


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ellen Jane Hearnden Gibbs Name:Ellen Jane Hearnden Gibbs
Registration Year:1863
Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:Rye
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume:2b
Page:4



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Thomas James Hearnden Gibbs Name:Thomas James Hearnden Gibbs
Registration Year:1862
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:Rye
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume:2b
Page:1

Hello PrickyHolly, I'm guessing that there was no father's name then on the christening record? The mother's name is the same, the christening record has the birth date incorrect by a day, as the birth certificate states 24th of February 1872. Thank you for your post. :-S

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Emily Harriet Hernden Gibbs Name:Emily Harriet Hernden Gibbs
Gender:Female
Birth Date:25 Feb 1872
Christening Date:11 Oct 1872
Christening Place:Rye, Sussex, England
Age at Christening:0
Mother's name:Elizabeth Ann Gibbs

Hello Astra, it looks like that to me - however on the census it does state that Elizabeth is William's wife. There was a lot of children for them not to be married. Thank you for replying. :-S

It looks as though William and Elizabeth weren't married

Thank you Ann for your posts - I still find it confusing.

Hi, yes this is the right family that is why I cannot understand Emily's 1872 birth certificate.as William is clearly the father.
:-|

Name: William H Hearnden
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Rye, Sussex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Rye
Sub-District: 1 Rye
Parish: Rye
Residence County: Sussex

Name: William H G Hearnden
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Rye, Sussex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Rye
Sub-District: Rye
Parish: Rye
County: Sussex
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
William H G Hearnden Self M 49 Rye, Sussex
Elizabeth A Gibbs Mother F 32 Rye, Sussex
William T H Gibbs Son M 10 Rye, Sussex
Eliza E H Gibbs Daughter F 7 Rye, Sussex
Eliza A H Gibbs Daughter F 3 Rye, Sussex
David G H Gibbs Son M 2 Rye, Sussex
James C H Gibbs Son M 0 Rye, Sussex